My perspective on Elon is very different from Lyn. To preface, I am not an Elon fanboy, don’t own any Tesla, SpaceX. Some random thoughts:

1. I don’t think it’s fair to criticize a person and call their work scams without them being there to defend themselves.

2. It’s easy to jump on the hate bandwagon if you are part of the same community and someone respected makes a strong statement, but that doesn’t make that statement true.

3. To me it makes no difference what you specialize in as a founder, engineering, marketing, a bit of both, or neither. The job of an organizational leader is to find people smarter than them to take charge of various aspects of a company. If you are the smartest person in the room and doing everything yourself, you’ve limited yourself and your company drastically. The fact that he is a better marketer shouldn’t matter in personal judgements.

4. From what I’ve read and heard, it seems Tesla was a tiny company when he took over. Even if he did “buy in” the fact that it is where it is today says something about his talent (whatever you decide that talent is). Subsidies or not, he is playing by the existing rules and avenues provided to him. This is what successful entrepreneurs do - figure out ways to make things work. I don’t understand why people are hung up on subsidies.

5. I heard in a video interview of someone senior at NASA being very grateful that SpaceX exists. The private nature of the company has brought costs down significantly for NASA. Was he bootstrapped by NASA? Sure. But getting govt. contracts and funding is sorta expected when you are building a spaceship company…

6. I don’t agree with Saife that his rockets are going nowhere. If the goal is truly to settle Mars, then naturally you’re going to do a lot of other things prior to actually doing that thing. It’s not cheap, it’s not immediately beneficial but such is the tradeoff for colonizing another planet. Whether he actually plans to do this or not is not something I would know, nor anyone here - it’s all just guesses.

7. Don’t know enough about Solar company, but if the only sin is facing bankruptcy, I don’t see how that can be used as an insult in any manner. Businesses fail all the time. Most businesses fail by default. There’s nothing atypical about this situation unless there are some details I am unaware of. Again, if solar company took advantage of subsidies, I don’t see how that’s a negative - in fact it’s the smart thing to do. The playbook is there, he’s just playing it.

8. Whether Elon actually bought Twitter for free speech is also anyone’s guess. I don’t think we can judge him on his actions with Twitter. What seems dumb to us, could actually be a smart long term move. I don’t know whether they are smart moves (something tells me they are not), but a lot of people who did seemingly weird things and were criticized at the time ended up succeeding. If I am not mistaken, Apple was mocked for the iPhone not having a physical keyboard. Many prominent figures in history were mocked for their thoughts and ideas only to be vindicated later.

9. Where he gets funding from seems irrelevant to me. Saudis, China… who cares? You are wearing clothes made by child labor, yet nobody is complaining. China and Saudis probably own half of America, where are the outcries about that?

10. Like many, I think he is screwing up big time with Doge. I think he’s wrong by not embracing Bitcoin, wrong with his Twitter moves. Something tells me he is acting out of desperation - just doing what he think is best, whether that’s the right thing or not.

Lastly, we don’t know what kind of pressure he’s under, what his family life is like, so many unknowns to understand why someone does something. There may be only 1 person here qualified who understands what kind of pressure can be on them at that level but it’s certainly not me or you. It’s easy to be on the sidelines pretending like we all know the right answers, but a different thing entirely living it and making the calls as you go.

It’s very likely that Nostr dominates everything long term - this I am very bullish on, but I also don’t wish the worst even for my enemies. I hope Elon finds a way and doesn’t lose everything in the process. Twitter has been a great connecting tool for many years and has made so many people much more aware of what’s happening in the world. My hope is that Twitter somehow integrates with Nostr in some form, even as a baby step, before everyone else in the legacy media catches on.

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agreed

Only took me 3 minutes to read these words long, my brain works fast😎

Very true! We should be fair to everyone, regardless how they are perceived or how they behave! 🐶🐾🫡

Elon is a twat. At least Tesla still holds some bitcoins

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Never trust corporations.

This is the note

Yay! Here, here!

Finally, someone that tells it like it is!

Thank you buddy, I concur with all of the above.

Couldn’t have said it better myself, well done 🫂

As a side note, no single person can simply invent anything complex enough alone. For example, the early version of Linux and Git were probably written by Linus, but it took many more people to make it good enough for large audience.

A single person might be able to come up good theory in theoritical science. But for engineering projects, it has always been a group effort.

In fact, we should not even have the illusion that a single person can do this much. We don't need to idolize any person. Overly idolizing a person is dangerous to the society.

Yeah it’s always been bothersome to me how when asked “how do you do it?” In interviews, he wouldn’t even mention the people that do the actual work. Tells you everything you need to know about a persons ego.

When does your cyber truck arrive?

Got the showroom model at a discount!

Brilliant marketing stunt

I wrote a very similar (and similarly long) reply to Lyn yesterday that, as ot too often happens, ironically, got lost in the Nostr relay aether. I couldn't be bothered to write it again, so thanks for this - I feel fully represented :)

i think he did a lot of good things, he brought difficult innovations to mass market and disrupted economy. He is a smart man.

But i think ego is a sure killer, and anyone who thinks they have the ultimate power to do whatever they like to other businesses or people, can become dangerous, which is why calling him out and giving him that avenue of check and balance matters.

I am also not a fan of him riling people up, and then backstabbing them to serve his needs. Just like having bitcoin on tesla's balance sheet, and bitching abt bitcoin and pulling out due to "esg issues" - was it really esg issues or govt not funding unless he got rid of bitcoin? At that point, only someone as patient as Jack could have talk sense to him.

After that Twitter came along, and it seems like its all for the right reasons. When twitter did not want to sell it, ego shot up and he put a high price, openly riled up shareholders to get what he wanted. When twitter did agree, and economy took a turn, he found all kinds of shaddy excuses and drove people insane - and that was his goal, to drive them away until they backed off the deal. But the judge put her foot down.

Now that he has twitter, he could do the right thing, and build phenomenal businesses around it - or he could listen to bad advices and become an oppressor. We have to call him out.

And hopefully he does whats really good for humanity, and looks pass his pocket size. I'm sure if he does right, he will get his funds back and more.

Now I feel regretful for saying Facebook is crap when Mark isn’t here to defend himself. No soup for me 🦦 (actually that was pretty balanced well said you 🏆)

I don’t support any attacks on Zuckerberg either.

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#[4]… 👂!

Very well said.

I also don’t understand why everyone needs to fire that much at one person?

point 3 is exactly what most maybe never would even consider for themselves.

I skimmed it. First off, PV!

Second, Elon Musk is the NUMBER ONE US DEFENSE CONTRACTOR!

Let that sink in!

I don’t even need to Google to know that Lockheed is the no 1 contractor …

You’re going to have to go down a history rabbit hole to figure it out!

Corporations are not people!

Lockheed Martin? Raytheon? All of the criminal companies?

I think you’re in your right to think the way you think. Fair points.

However, maybe you should dive in deeper into the Elon rabbit hole.

He is playing his part on a bigger plan that involves divide et impera.

We are at war. We are the enemy. Pro tip: Elon is not on our side.

Stack sats.

just the facts

from a very rich family in south africa, filthy rich from blood diamonds

lied about it

never started anything up, he is no founder

lied about it

said he likes bitcoin

lied about it, manipulated it to his financial advantage

where does his money come from?

his biggest customer is the state department of the usa

tesla/megafactory was funded by the government

he wants to brain chip everyone

same as nazi klaus

shares almost all idiotic nazi ideas of the world satanic forum

says he is for freedom

he is not your friend

#9 Where he gets his funding from?

If you don’t care who Elon’s handlers are, then you aren’t paying close enough attention to the BIGGER picture! Wake up! He is not freedoms friend. He is part of the club. Elites club!

Plebs will rule in this realm, not corporate overlords!!!

He’s smart just not very fair which is everyone’s gripe. His company, his rules I suppose. Just goes to show the shortcomings of organizations. Open source and permissionless is the way.