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So often Christians focus on God’s love and ignore His judgment. They tell people they need to be saved, but leave out from what they need to be saved. Fifty or a hundred years ago, almost every American knew the basics of the Bible, what sin is, what the judgment of Hell is, and that the God of the Bible is our Creator. Today, most people in America and the world know very little of that. Phrases like, “Trust Jesus and be saved,” mean very little. The person you are talking to may be silently thinking, “Who is Jesus? Why should I trust Him? What do I need to be saved from?”

Most Christians, especially from Evangelical circles, have been steeped in the phrase “Be saved,” but how many have thought carefully about from what they are being saved? If we have trouble answering, “from what?”, how can we explain it to those who don’t know Jesus?

> But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, **having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him**. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now **received the reconciliation**. (Romans 5:8-11) {emphasis mine}

Primarily we are saved “*from the wrath of God*.” We are also reconciled which saves us from separation from God.

We are also told that we are rescued \[saved\] “*from the wrath to come*.”

> And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who **rescues us from the wrath to come**. (1 Thessalonians 1:10) {emphasis mine}

Then one might ask, “What right does God have to tell me what to do and to get mad at me?”

> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. **All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being**. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (John 1:1-5) {emphasis mine}

Why does God get to set the rules? Because He made all things. The Creator gets to set the rules for His creation. It isn’t just ‘might makes right,’ but the one who spoke everything into being gets to set the rules for His creatures just like He set the rules for how everything in the universe works.

Many might claim, “but surely God can’t expect us to be perfect? Nobody is perfect.”

> For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but **One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin**. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:15-16) {emphasis mine}

Jesus doesn’t expect more than He has given. He went through every temptation we have experienced, including trials and hardships we can’t imagine, and yet was without even one sin. He is the perfect example of what we should be. Even more amazingly, he understands that we are unable to live up to His standard, so He came to earth, suffered, died, and rose again, so we could be reconciled to Him. All we have to do is repent of our sins, trust Him, and submit to Him. How can we not put our faith in Him after all He did for us?

> He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Jesus paid the penalty. He took our sins, so we can receive His righteousness. This is a trade everyone should be willing to make, but sadly most refuse — some willfully, but some because they haven’t heard the good news. Hopefully all Christians will faithfully share the gospel with those around them.

May the perfect Savior guide us in His perfect will and help us to rightfully share the gospel with all those around us.

Trust Jesus

Think where the rubber meets the road is humans can’t really know who will be judged and who will be saved. So while one can believe one is doing righteous things, and others are sinning, it’s really up to God and therefore dangerous to believe one is righteous or knows best for others.

I mean there are obvious cases (like child predators) you can be pretty sure will meet an unpleasant fate, one way or the other, but mostly we just don’t know, even with respect to ourselves.

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We don't know the fate of anyone, even them. There is always time to turn to the Lord, until the very last moment.

Doing good things doesn't get you saved. There is no amount of good works we can do to get right with God. One bad motive or bad action destroys all of the good we've ever done. Our only good is what Jesus has given us when we trust in Him. Doing good things is what should be the result of salvation. We should be so grateful for what Jesus did for us that we give our all to Him.

It is true that only God knows the heart and who is really His. I suspect there will be some people in heaven that we didn't expect to see and some who aren't there that we expected to be there.

Taken to its logical conclusion then, is it possible many who purport to follow Jesus are deluded, and some who don’t even seem to follow at all actually follow in their hearts? Like you get to heaven, and there’s a bunch of atheists, Buddhists, Muslims and Jews there, and you’re like, “You didn’t even believe at all!” And God says, “Yes they did, just not in the same words and symbols.”

I'm sorry I was so unclear. When I say there will be some I don't expect, they won't be believers in other religions. There is only one way to heaven -- faith in Jesus.

"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)

What I am talking about is we can't always rightly judge the fruits of salvation. One person might look like a Christian because they are trying so hard to earn their way to heaven by their own power that they do lots of "good", "Christian" things. Another person may not seem to do much but may be a quiet prayer warrior with deep faith that hates doing anything in public. God knows the heart.

It is not what we do, but what Jesus has done in us.

"If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing." (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

"“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" (Matthew 7:21-23)

Hopefully that clarifies things more. I didn't sleep well last night, so I'm not communicating very well this morning.

I think that's clear! My only question was could one have “faith in Jesus” without knowing who Jesus specifically was. In other words, have faith in the spirit of Jesus, but without the symbols of the cross and the Bible. Imagine a remote tribesman or someone born before Jesus, living his life (not in the surface level performative sense, but in his heart) in accordance with the teachings. Would he be barred from salvation simply because he was not exposed to the specific story in the Bible and the symbolism therein?

There are stories of Jesus appearing directly to people in Muslim countries where trying to convert a Muslim is illegal. The people are personally visited (somewhat like Paul) and led supernaturally to other believers and/or a Bible. Yes, people have to believe in Jesus (before Jesus came to earth, that meant belief in the messianic promises, but now it is belief in Jesus specifically), but Jesus is able to get the gospel to those He has called.

In reality today, it is a rare person who has never heard of Jesus, but you are correct that there are significant numbers who have not been exposed to the complete Gospel of Jesus. They have nonetheless rejected their creator.