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I've been thinking a lot about my nearly 15 years away from the Greek Orthodox Church.

I've come to this conclusion - I don't know if I would have the same ethical values without that upbringing. It's easy to think I would when I had that foundation since birth, but I no longer think it's that simple.

I've been around a lot of secular people. Not all, but many are in a dark place. People who are missing something from their lives. Ones who didn't have an upbringing similar to mine.

I've begun to wonder if these people would benefit from religion in their lives. Some type of positive power to pull them out of the darkness.

I'm not saying I've found Jesus. I haven't.

But more and more I want to be around the people who have.

Because I can't really be around these other people any more. My wife & I have cut most of them out of our lives at this point.

We prefer to spend our time around positive people who are working on building better lives. Building families. Nearly all of them are religious.

We're both very logical people. Religion and logic were like oil and water to me.

But when I look at the state of the world, it's not hard to see the positive impact religion can have on people. That's a very logical conclusion I'm coming to.

Also, I miss a lot of the Greek cultural stuff that I grew up, and it's intertwined with the church. It would be strange, but I'm accepting the idea that returning there, even as someone who isn't religious, feels more right than not going.

Still working through this but wanted to share.

Because bitcoiners are how I got here. The ones having families, going to church, and being decent human beings. Those are the people I want to be around.

The alternative is despair and darkness, and I am not going down that road.

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"I'm not saying I've found Jesus. I haven't.

But more and more I want to be around the people who have."

I've been saying this for years: "I'm an atheist, but I find myself more comfortable in the company of religious people."

Atheism used to be very important to me. But then covid lockdowns occurred and I found myself opposing the oppressive regime alongside people who were, for the most part, religious.

However, I think it's perfectly possible to have an ethical backbone without a religious upbringing. I have thought about what you have been proposing here myself. I had (and have) many atheist friends who are ex-Muslims (because I am an ex-Muslim myself). This is a simple example, but it had made me wonder about the same thing: When we played pool, even if we didn't see the result of each other's shots, we could trust each other, whatever the result was. If they scored a shot and really meant that ball to be scored, even if they didn't say it out loud, I would trust them. And they would admit to not having the called ball if they failed to do so. These friends were ex-Muslims and I wondered maybe being brought up in families where these were taught as values had a part to play. But I met religious people who cheated over simplest things and I got to know many atheists without religious upbringing who were more trustworthy than people with a religious background or people who were still religious.

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