Dropping a take here that would get me crucified IRL. Thanks nostr.
80s and 90s punk is just low effort rock music, usually with poor production quality. The kind of stuff any kid could make in their bedroom today. Punk music didnt begin to develop a unique identity until the early 2000s.
I mean that was kind of the idea when it started in the mid 1970s. You didn’t need money or skills, you just had to be angry at the establishment and want to tell it to GFY as loudly as possible. How would 2000s punk even exist if not for the Ramones and the Sex Pistols?
Yeah im not staying 1+1 doesnt equal 2, and im glad it existed. Im just saying, looking back on it, and holding it to today's standards. The only thing it can stand on to even make a claim to be a unique genre is the lyrics.
And yet its existence alone paved the way for the version of it you like better, so there’s that.
Yeah, I acknowledge that.
But I care about the proof of work in the musicianship of any music, punk or not. Maybe thats just me, and thats fine. Take away the vocals all that stuff is just a poor quality recording of a formulaic rock song. That being the case, generic classic rock is probably an equal influence on what I like, and what is popular now.
I don't know of any punk music made after 2000, that's all emo in my book.
I don't know what you've listened to but this post makes me wonder if you have a shallow view of early punk.
I'll also add that the poor production quality of most of it was not an artistic choice. They were not given access to decent recording equipment because it cost money and they were not expected to have any commercial success. Basically an early prototype form of algorithmic control of the public's taste. Later it became a statement of being outside the system because of the history.
Im aware of all of this, but your broad classification of post y2k as emo has me feeling the same way about you.
And you may still be right about me. Im younger and I wasnt there, and im always down to understand it better. I should have specified though, that all I can do is hold it to today's standards, and while I know it was not an artistic choice at the time. When kt shuffles up on Spotify today, it just sounds worse.
But it is interesting that we can both agree some sort of divide happened around y2k.
Old guy and young guy disagree. News at 11.
I think a lot of it is that the machine decided to market it at that time. Radio play and hot topic. It still wasn't top40 hits but if it was a counter culture statement that you grew up with before that point you could smell the corporate stink on it.
Did you ever listen to Fugazi? That seems like a really good in between band to transition to older punk to me.
Give me a band. Keep in mind one of my biggest complaints about newer punk is that the vocals sound whiny instead of angry.
Hahaha yeah, and i caught the tail end of that too growing up. I never got to experience the culture beforehand, besides just being friends with people who did at the skatepark or whatever.
As for fugazi, yeah, they aren't really who my initial point was referring to, and you pretty much hit the nail on the head with it being a solid transitional example. I still hear some slop on the guitar, and find the bassist to the most interesting part of that band, personally.
For something more modern (covid era), id recommend desperate pleasures by every time I die. They kicked off around y2k and broke up a few years ago. There's definitely some southern rock influence in there too, but at least they have some riffs. I think that is one that I really wish I heard more on older punk, do you know anything more riff based?
