I often hear people in the West deride China as communist and a much worse place than America. I'd like to understand why. The term "socialist" or "communist" is not detailed enough to explain why, so give more details.

Free markets, private property ownership, and the profit motive are very powerful, distributed things that make a country rich. China has adopted all of them. They say it is "glorious to get rich" and there are wealthy business owners making a killing.

What appears to be different is that China has the CCP which acts as a top-down authority that can pretty much do whatever it wants. So people have economic freedom as long as they don't piss off the CCP.

But America's executive has sovereign immunity. The Executive branch can violate all kinds of laws and you cannot sue them for it. They can ignore the Supreme Court (and have). And they have all the ultimate power. So just like in China, you have economic freedom as long as you don't piss off Joe Biden.

So to me the difference is only in the specifics. China controls speech a lot more (which I very much don't like), but the US is trying hard to catch up. China still tries to do "think big" projects that most Western countries already learnt should be market driven, not government driven.

What did I miss? I must have missed something important.

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This is also what Nostr's Chinese section often discusses.

Your sarcasm has scored a 🎯 bullseye. Level up!

unless there is a Chinese section.... there could be. Who knows.

My understanding is that the market economy in mainland China is not transparent and is very weak.

Where private enterprise often has to give way to state-dominated state-run enterprises. And in the last decade, the free market has been further curtailed and their rulers are practicing a command economy.

Inside this country, people are not economically free, and some people are carrying very heavy mortgages and car loans. Small and medium-sized enterprises have also suffered very heavy loss of profits during the epidemic.

Not “Chinese section”, which is a grammatical error, but “Chinese nostr user”

Social credit score

Diversity, equity, inclusion (DEI)

Environmental, social, and governance (ESG)

Point taken but those are for most company social credit scores. Not individual credit scores. Perhaps cancel culture would have been a better comparison.

no coincidence. china is a model for all the globalists WEF gang.

digital-$ will make the west look even more like China, they already went forward with internal passports.

In Brazil, where politicians are commie openly, they even go to China ostensively to learn how to "control misinformation"

if you want to do any 'free world' x 'chinese communism' comparison, you have to compare an older USA (1800's?) with today's China. There is no real free world anymore.

You are making my point for me. Thanks.

So far USA hasn’t been able to successfully pass a child having policy. Granted it’s not perfect but so far we haven’t been forced to limit our children. Many are concerned about the amount of people in the world & are choosing smaller families while others aren’t.

China is purchasing a lot of farmland in the USA … why? My assumption is because of tax breaks and ….

Which will turn parts of our landscape into another dust bowl if not done properly… I’m a conservationist … not a conservative, for clarity.

And the guns. We have a lot of guns here more than 100 per each resident IIRC & there are various types of thoughts on what kinds and types civilians should use.

Racism is a big one in USA 🇺🇸 because racism. Religion is another issue as well.

We have a lot of issues.

I’m here to remind everyone to love one another 💜

The Bill of Rights is the difference. That is the uniqueness of America. Yes our government is eroding them, openly violating some, and trying to flat out eliminate some of them. That being said, even the Bill of Rights being 80% functional is a better situation than China. The main limitation is in the scope of what can be done. The U.S. govt gets away with stuff here and there in select situations, but the Chinese govt just openly imposes its will en masse on much greater swaths of the population.

Well said, no American is going to want to acknowledge this but it is about damn time someone said it and hopefully people will hear, absorb, and at least consider initiating change. I think America can be and should be economically more lucrative for the masses than China generally.

My sense significant qualitative and quantitative differences.

If I recall correctly, and I don't have any sources, any business in China is technically owned by the CCP. A business might operate like it's free and private while it's small, but once it gets big enough, the state really does take it over. In the USA, the businesses are technically owned by the owners. The state might meddle using regulations or national security letters or things like that, but for the present the businesses are still owned and operated by their owners. If somebody has a source confirming or denying this I would appreciate it.

As for the totalitarianism, I think China is only worsted by North Korea, right? This difference with the USA is more about scope. The USA tracks, surveils, imprisons, assassinates, etc., but perhaps the latter two in a less broad manner. It's hard to tell because the USA officially denies doing a lot of that stuff. My sense is that everybody in China knows they operate under such a regime whereas in the USA the state denies it and people don't want to believe it happens here too.

If you look at the measures recommended in the Communist Manifesto's second chapter, it has been argued that most or all of them are present in the USA. So you're right that it's difficult to say "communist" applies to China but not the USA. We have to be more specific.