Yea, the private property issue is where the conflicts of ideals begin. But the way I see it, if the goals in general are the same, we can hash out differences later
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Communism, communist, anarchists, etc. have a lot of variety and internal difference. It's hard to generalize them all. For example, on state power, Marx was early on a journalist and had seen first hand how the violence of the state can impede speech when it raided their presses. He was well aware of the inherent violence of the state. Communist activists have also historically also been victimized by the state.
Also Communism is generally seen as a stateless society once class antagonisms have been withered away. I'm pretty sure you have Engels saying the state should 'wither away'
I don't find it surprising that there'd be some overlap and agreement on some issues with libertarians for instance, a group also containing differences.
Obviously all this doesn't negate there are different viewpoints how to get to a stateless society.
Yea I fully agree. The problem with communism though, is it never works out as planned. Cant give a person / people unlimited power to enact something then expect them to relinquish control once 'achieved'.
Yeah agreed. I've read Marx and I'm pretty sure he mocked people writing 'cookbooks of the future' that just really sit in their drawer and has no basis in reality and that we can just 'wish' into existence some perfect society with a snap of the finger or by some plan some technocrats made up in some room.
He had some good ideas for sure. But like anything else, it gets twisted and perverted by control freaks.
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The problem is not that communism never works as out planned, it's that it will always never work out if it is planned.
The definition for communism is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society with collective ownership of the means of production.
By definition, communism is essentially one big nirvana fallacy. As a result, people such as tankies have to play the word game by using the definition for socialism for communism.
