Ya they're expensive. 😭 Hub motors , while being cheaper are also are extremely heavy, my electric moonbike was almost 90lbs. Makes for harder pedaling though it does assist you if you can pedal hard enough. Typically, I would have to jump off and walk it up the hill (using the motor, it then turns into a pack horse while you walk if you have a load, heh).

Enduro motorcycles are pretty nice and cheaper than the nice ebikes

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oh yeah, enduro style is my favourite style of motorcycle in general... i used to have a Sachs Madass 50... that thing with spoked wheels, turbo and 80cc big bore and enduro medium-knobblies would have been a great thing to do mountains on

i'm a mountain man, what can i say? i love the peace of it so the cost of such things as the hassles of transport that can deal with the rigors of the terrain are fine... i can't stand living in flat places packed tight with thousands of other assholes, and the many many other features of urban living that just plain suck

it can be nice in the flat country regions but mountains are just better in too many ways i am glad to be again in them