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>"-This sounds like altcoin stuff. Not the hardest money ever created. You mentioned: banks, credit cards and houses to justify wanting Bitcoin to leave the main chain"

I did not, i used them as nontechnical examples to help you understand, not 1:1 corelations. A hash escrow is nothing like a centralized bank, but they both do store value in a secure place for you to take from later. I can only simplify this stuff so much before it breaks down. You have to meet me half way.

>Zooming coins in and out opens attack surface for unseeable attacks just like NO ONE saw Taproot leading to Ordinals.

Are you smoking weed ? DC prevents future errors like the ordinal side effect. It moves changes like taproot off chain. Several experimental bips have already been implemented in DC.

>No. You misunderstand Bitcoin. It's the hardest money ever created. Not a shitcoin. If you want something else, go use it. You're trying to make Bitcoin a Swiss army knife. Keep that stuff away from Bitcoin. It soils the name.

Are you a bot ? You just keep regurgitating the same catch phrase. Bitcoin is the hardest money because there will only be 21 million, not because the code never changes. With DC there is still only 21 million. The fundamentals remain.

>Any opening of attack surfaces is just that. Potential for unseen and uncalculable threats. Your reasoning that DC makes these able to be foreseen is wrong IMO. It doesn't. It just opens the surface.

ITS NOT OPENING AN ATTACK SURFACE, IT'S DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Increasing the protection zone between bad things and core !

>-Disagree. I haven't been convinced of it and it's not FUD. It's wanting to preserve the purest form of the idea of a digital P2P currency that is the hardest money ever created.

Dumbass bot just keep repeating the same dumbass saifdean catchphrase. Not one technical counter argument. Fuck off.

>-Nah. I don't buy that gatekeeping. People are allowed to want the purest form of money ever and have it as it is. They're justified to want it to be whoever they want. Just like you are justified to want Bitcoin to be intertwined with shitcoins. It's a disagreement of purpose based on opening unknown attack vectors, and purpose of the hardest money ever.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

>Risks and functions outweigh the use IMO at this point.

Of course they do, because you can barely tie your own shoelaces and can't read an FAQ.

>You're free to fork the project and make drivechain? Maybe that's an avenue you guys can follow...

You don't even know what the difference between a soft and hardfork is.

I'm done with your dumb.

nobody 2y ago

Usually know I've won an argument when the other person can't articulate their points and can default to name calling and swearing. Bad look. 😬

My points are salient. If they're so utterly wrong you should be able to easily dismantle them. I'm not overly tied to my opinion.

Sorry you got triggered into swearing and insults. I'm thinking it drives my point home even further if this is the sort of ethos and attitudes around drivechain...

Roger Ver used to rage and throw insults like this too back in the BCash days. I say you guys follow suit. Hard fork Bitcoin, call it "Bitcoin DC".

I'll send you some sats as seed money even.

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Cyber Seagull 2y ago

>my core heuristic is that if my hot takes are so dumb, repetitive and out of scope the other person uses language i don't like, i've won.

i gave good answers and you replied with nonsense. obvious troll

nobody 2y ago

No. I just see the risk:use ratio and a LOT of us are in the same view. Your analogies were about Air missles, Playstation and credit cards.

I appreciate your effort but speak about the code changes directly without jargon maybe? Or articulate WHY it's even needed. Sidechains and L2 seems decent enough.

My repeated point about it being the hardest money ever created was illustrating that something incredible has been invented. And it's working! If we implemented every gOoD iDeA to come along the Bitcoin would be Solana or Shiba Inu.

Bip300 isn't a small change and augments the use case considerably.

Maybe Drivechain *is the bees knees but yeah, yelling and name calling gives off Bcash vibes.

Bitcoin doesn't need to change to allow in/out 'trustless' escrow so shitcoins can exist on it in this manner.

And if it does you're doing a bad job of explaining it.

Cyber Seagull 2y ago

Your analogies were about katanas and swiss army knives and melting gold. I met you at that level of description.

What do you mean by side chains are Decent enough ? DC allows sidechains without damaging bitcoin. If you support lightning and liquid, you support DC.

What do you mean by risk:use ratio ? The risks are quantized and the uses are unlimited so your ratio is n:8 which is nonsense.

>Maybe Drivechain *is the bees knees....

Oh, i see, you are from the 1800's. No wonder you are so lost. These fancy electric gramaphones in your hand are pretty gosh darn neat huh ?

> Bitcoin doesn't need to change to allow in/out 'trustless' escrow so shitcoins can exist on it in this manner

If the shitcoin exist on bitcoin with DC, what are they escrowing in and out of ? This what i mean you don't understand DC or even basic sentences strung together. Just stay out of commenting on bleeding edge issues, or read more and be less dismissive of proposals you don't actually understand.

If you had at any point said something useful or indicated the ability to understand new concepts, i would not have used "bad" words.

Dc is not a popularity contest, its a technology it doesn't care if you or anyone else have good feelings in your tummy about it.

It stands on its own merits and not the soothing public blowjob ability of anyone talking about, it does not fall because of vested interest promoting the boring catchphrases and dead mental memes you keep using that are not arguments against DC.

nobody 2y ago

It's also not that I just don't like your language. I'm just not about name calling and swearing at ppl with different views. Twitter is more that vibe tbh.

And I find usually people do this when they've lost an argument and have no other rebuttle or explanation and are triggered someone else has a different view. 🤷‍♂️

Cyber Seagull 2y ago

I have plenty of rebuttles. This conversation devolved into flames because of switching apps and reading the drivechain FAQ you replied dumb shit i had just answered.

Behavior like that is worth insulting. Seriously stop replying and read something more than 140 characters.

Cyber Seagull 2y ago

Instead of *

nobody 2y ago

Haha. Opened Twitter and saw this.

Cyber Seagull 2y ago

Saifdean is a grifter. A very smart and quick witted economist. He's like the person i was fucking at the time when bitcoin came out and said "Well the state will just buy up all the bitcoin and control it." But far less attractive and far worse tits.