I was bullish on lists. Unfortunately, lists are another half-baked feature that don't work reliably or consistently across clients.
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Same here. So much promise as a feature, but it is ignored.
nostr is currently a twitter-copy clients monopoly
great features that don't get implemented to those copies won't get any daylight and are being left for dead
sad but true
So just ditch it completely, right?
I never said or implied that.
I've tried using them in a handful of different tools. Notified the devs of issues they have, and why they don't work. Eventually becoming bored of it. So I just ignore them now. Maybe someday they will be fixed.
This isn't a comment on your tool. I've never even tried it. I'm fact I didn't even see your message before Shawn's, it wasn't showing in my client earlier. I was responding too him.
I am super curious to know why they don't work.
If one is using the same relay(s) to consistently post and read the follow packs or lists, why can't it work?
List names created with some tools show up as gibberish on others.
Lists of users created with Nostrudel are filled with duplicates.
Client support is severely lacking. Being able to view lists but not add or remove people is common.
It's a great idea, but the support, and especially compatibility over the whole ecosystem is lacking. I tried for a while to find a combo of tools that worked, but it was always frustrating, and never worked quite right.
I've been using Nostr since Feb 2023, I've got a pretty good handle on how Nostr works, even running my own WoT relay. I'm willing to look past little bugs because Nostr is worth it. But lists need a lot of love before they are usable. More integration in clients, and properly displaying their names & contents between different apps would be a good start.
Does nostr:nprofile1qqszv6q4uryjzr06xfxxew34wwc5hmjfmfpqn229d72gfegsdn2q3fgprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszynhwden5te0dehhxarjw4jjucm0d5hsv5328h know about the issue?
I'm not sure. I've tagged him directly in the past about it with no response, and also have brought up my various issues with elsat, and they noted it in the nostrabilty GitHub I believe.
I just checked and Nostrudel is still the same. It seems like any time I add someone to a list the entire list gets concatenated to the end of the current list. For instance this list. Displays with a gibberish name in amethyst, and is filled with duplicates for some reason.
nostr:naddr1qq2nj335tashz6ps0fh9wktdgd2rz6tv94cx6qg5waen5te0xyerwt3s9cczuvf6xsurvwf0qgsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6qrqsqqqafsrg3w3w
Oh how weird. Somehow my lists on nostrudel all look ok. I used listr for some, hive for others or manually constructed and broadcast. Anyway thanks for your detailed input
I've never been able to get listr to work properly. I've created a few lists in other tools, Nostrudel & Nostr.band. None show in listr.
🤯 what signer are you using?
Nos2x
I just tried hive talk, there I see the gibberish names, and still the duplicates. I think nostrmo is the only app where they show correctly, without the duplicates.
🤔
I think I see the issue. I'll see if I can work out a fix for hive.
Okay, I just pushed an update that should fix the issue. Try it out when you get a chance nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qqsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6q8mkwc3 nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnzd96xxmmfdecxzunt9e3k7mgpypmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumgv9mku7t9v9nk2u3wvdhk6tmrdpshgqpqclk6vc9xhjp8q5cws262wuf2eh4zuvwupft03hy4ttqqnm7e0jrq2mw3cr
H/T nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg6waehxw309ahx7um5wfjkccte9euk2emgwfhjucm0d5paulrf , small issues can be fixed with a great team, instead of assuming it can’t work 🥳🫂
nostr:nprofile1qqsv0mdxvznteqns2v8g9d98wy4vm63wx8wq54hcmj244sqfalvhepspzfmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuegpydmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumgv9mku7t9v9nk2u3wvdhk6tmswf5hvct5v5xwtwjm nostr:nprofile1qqsda2memtapc2lykjnd8t9px4ake2stw39lg6k49xj6u3jz3pteu6qprdmhxue69uhhwmm59ejx7amwd9ek7mn5dpjh2upwvdsj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsk3cwgy
💯🙏
nostr:nprofile1qqs0sgghn02adywxrdp4vvmr3zk6ms7vzvz0f8nhr2ru8r08a48aqgspzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdus3dctxhe gibberish is likely constructed by wherever you created the lists origjnally, so this old data format probably has some issues, as new lists i see on nostrudel are all pretty clean. Make a new list and see
If its the same
I'll try again shortly.
It's strange because some apps do show the name correctly. In Amethyst the lists are named correctly in the drop down list to select them, but if I add them as an nevent in a note they display the gibberish name.
I don’t know the history of this specific kind but my gut tells me that it may have been revised in between the time that various clients have implemented them so if the format earlier on was one way it could’ve changed for later on
And now the old lists aren't showing in Nostrudel, using the same relay set as Amethyst 😂
This is what I mean. I've spent hours trying to get lists to work and it never does. 🤣
😂😂😂
I knew there was a good reason to download amethyst for testing this week. Hold my beer
A new list created in Nostrudel, named "test list". No duplicates on this one.
And this is what a prior reply looks like in nostr:npub1yzvxlwp7wawed5vgefwfmugvumtp8c8t0etk3g8sky4n0ndvyxesnxrf8q Android. We are so early.
Thanks for the feedback 🙏
I can't wait to see lists on the best Nostr client https://jumble.social/
cc nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl
Step by step
It’s on the todo list 📋
So lists are completely useless, ditch them entirely? What is the best tutorial for WOT or another option to handle list like features in your opinion?