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Tor doesn't scale, unfortunately.

Email scaled, and you could route outside of this censorship mess but no one does.

Ham radio, can work at scale, shame ppl don't use cuz it's hard. It could be as big if not bigger than centralized comms. We had a handle held repeater covering the whole city with full signal.

Electricity is censorship resistant. Sounds silly but it's not true for nat gas. Unless you have a well.

IRC scales, but too hard for most ppl.

XMPP scales but never took off.
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Colby Serpa 2y ago

I heard I2P and NYM are attempts at replacing Tor, but I’ve yet to verify if they do so effectively. It’s on my to-do list. Nym is newer, video on it below:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=keUvQ3CfCxM

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kidwarp 2y ago

I2P has been around for a while I used it before tor

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dwarner5522 2y ago

There is also Lokinet. No need for a special browser if installing on PC and you can also set up an armbian device like raspberry pi to be a wifi access point to give you acces to their onion routed network. I can vouch that it's way faster than Tor. You need to use the Linux build though as that is always the best supported one.

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Colby Serpa 2y ago

Would be nice if there were a way to incentivize TOR relays without the proof-of-stake model that Lokinet and NYM uses. Been meaning to explore this one-day, perhaps with Sats4Files and Lightning — not sure if it’s possible, but I’ll explore this eventually.

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dwarner5522 2y ago

Don't know if you know but Jeff (lead lokinet developer who created it) resigned/quit Oxen. I showed him what we talked about on telegram. Below is his response

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yea let them know i am up for doing lokinet atop such

if LN or btc people want to fund dev i'm open to the prospect.

they'll get the features they want

stakeless lokinet could scale, certainly MUCH more so than tor

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Colby Serpa 2y ago

Thanks for chatting with him.

Sats4Files requires an advancement for Lightning called Eltoo, which we won’t get without a softfork. I’m currently scoping out sidechains that I could quickly build Eltoo on for a Sats4Files beta. Once we get that working, I’ll reach out so he can begin tinkering.

We must walk before we run.

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dwarner5522 2y ago

FYI - He said you can DM him on Twitter whenever you want or email him.

Email: jeff@lokinet.io

Twitter: packet_manager