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I always thought vegetables were healthier than fruits.. But more people die from not eating enough fruits than from not eating enough vegetables. According to mainstream thinking at least:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-risk-factor-50-69years?time=2021

Also true within high-income countries:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-risk-factor-50-69years?time=2021&country=~OWID_HIC

Of course "mainstream" medicine isn't "correct". But it's an approximation of correct that we are hard-pressed to best. We know some will be wrong, but we can't easily know which parts. I'm guessing however the fruit/vegetable thing is probably correct. Given we evolved from mostly fruit-eating mammals.

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Justin Nakamoto-San ☑️ 4mo ago

High income equals living inside

Leo Wandersleb 4mo ago

There's many items on that list where I wonder how they conclude this causal relation. How does somebody score a "death from lack of fruits"?

"Given we evolved from mostly fruit-eating mammals.": Modern fruits are nothing like what there was before agriculture and selective breeding. A modern apple or mango is full of fruit sugar and free of fiber compared to fruits 10k years ago and humans hardly evolved at the pace our diet did.

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 4mo ago

Yes, this is aggregated data and it oversimplifies a lot because it is a globally-aggregated statistic. It's basically meaningless on its own, but broadly speaking the charts could be meaningful in some situations.

I was curious about this so I looked into their source, which comes from a 'Disease Burden' resource . But I'll share with you guys another tool for viewing this same data in a multitude of perspectives, it's much more granular:

https://vizhub.healthdata.org/gbd-compare/

What you want to do from here is go to the 'Explore' tab. Start by setting the display to 'Risk' instead of 'Cause' (but you can also explore Risk data). Select 'Dietary Risks' from the long drop-down. This is where you can select from all of the various dietary risks.

Hover over the 'Measure' options and read what they are. YLD's for instance is Years Lived with Disease.

Notably, for example, viewing the risk profile of YLD's of 'diets high in red meat' paints a very clear picture of America. Filtering here by age shows an even clearer picture.

That being said, there is a ton of data. Have fun ☺️

Leo Wandersleb 4mo ago

You were talking about this one?

Check out this one:

So red meat spikes disability but not the death rate?

Tekkadan, ゲロゲロ! 🐸 4mo ago

Yes, basically this is monitoring "years living with a diet high in red meat" which is not widely and directly attributed to deaths. Those death statistics get muddied into whatever actually kills the person in the moment, I assume. "It's not the cigarettes that kill you, it's the cancer." basically.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 4mo ago

I agree this data is suspicious. How do they get at the root cause? I dunno. My uncle died last year from not eating enough bananas? 🤨

It is not just human breeding that makes fruits sweeter and less fibrous. The plant itself is under pressure to do that, to spread it's seed more effectively.

It is hard to find any fruit that hasn't been cultivated at least a little bit by humans over the last million years, even mangos and mangosteens. But some fruit has changed more than others.

Apples were created by Rome from crab apples, which are barely edible, it is not an ancient naturally-evolved fruit.

But fruits on plants where the apes live are more palatable than crab apples. Mostly figs, mangosteens, lychees, and they are not highly cultivated and bred.

I think it is a miscomprehension that fruit 10k years ago was far less sweet and far more fibrous... rather, I think our modern dietary excesses make sugar into a villian and we project that status onto all our knowledge. Yes, sugar is a villain if you are overeating, but it is nothing of the sort if you are not.

Therefore I think angiosperms made sweet palatable fruits for mammals to spread their seeds with. Also bees make ridiculously sweet honey, and we didn't breed them to do that. And hunter gatherer tribes eat large amounts of honey. Another data point against the "sugar is modern and evil" idea.

Iain S 4mo ago

I don’t eat either; much to my surprise I have never felt better than on a carnivore diet.!

Dissident Sound 4mo ago

keep in mind high blood pressure and high blood sugar are both caused by being overweight

and being overweight is itself in the top 5

so basically 3 out of the top 5 risk factors are being overweight.

this is why all the really rich and really old men like Rothschilds, British Royals etc. are very thin.

being overweight is low class as is dying early as is eating grains and seed oils

Dissident Sound 4mo ago

fruits are imitation berries for folks on a budget

vegetables are imitation fruit for the stupids

grains are imitation vegetables for human cattle

berries and caviar is where it's at

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Dissident Sound 4mo ago

"I always thought vegetables were healthier than fruits"

most of what normies like you think of as "healthy" is really just CHEAP

the government brainwashed you into believing that Cheap = Healthy so that they could feed you the same thing they feed other cattle ( grain )

Amerikwans like you spend 10 times more money on "health care" than on food, and out of what they spend on food 90% is spent on processing and preparation and only 10% on the main ingredient ( which is always grain ).

meanwhile sane people spend half their income on the ingredients ( like berries and caviar ) use ZERO processing and spend ZERO on "health care"

you are what you eat. you can't eat like cattle and call yourself a rebel.

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