this posits two assumptions, that 1) the path to good is through a single gatekeeper (how convenient for said entity), and 2) all dependent on your view that human beings are inherently sinful. while that’s part of a bigger conversation, I would personally take the stance that maybe sin isn’t such a terrible thing. nature is inherently sinful, full of horrors, but does that make it wrong or bad? and even if it were, then it goes back to my first question: why must the church have exclusive authority on my pathway to salvation. maybe I found god in my work as a carpenter or tailor. my point is, to each their own and gatekeepers or authorities make me suscipsious
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I don’t see where I made the first assumption given I said people can be faster (better) on their own through their use of reason or through someone like a gym teacher (self help people, teachers of philosophy, non-Christian religious leaders, etc.). Jesus is not a gatekeeper to being good. There are plenty of very good people that have never heard the Gospel.
Regarding your second point, it again seems to be a matter of definition. What is “sin”? Where do you see nature being sinful? If you’re referring to a lion hunting its prey, that’s not a sin. Humans can and do sin because we are rational animals with the able to discern right from wrong (morality). When we act counter to the eternal law, we sin. You and I agree that nature, otherwise known as creation, is good. Very good, in fact. God created all of this out of nothing so that we too can enjoy it and even create alongside Him and be stewards of the world. Many come to God in their jobs/work.
I agree it’s good to question. I encourage you to seek for you will find. The Church does not guarantee salvation. It cannot and will not ever make such a presumption because the Church is not the judge. We don’t know who is or isn’t in Hell aside from Satan. Hell is a choice. People, by their own free will, choose Hell. I believe it was C.S. Lewis that said the gates of Hell are locked from the inside.
It seems the crux of it comes down to Original Sin. I believe in it, you deny it. We live in objective reality, one of us has to be right. I believe humans can act selfishly, be rude, harm others, lie, steal, cheat, deceive, etc. You believe humans don’t do those things as part of their nature. I ask you then, if you look around the world why do humans constantly act against their nature? If a cat has a particular nature, wouldn’t you find it bizarre if it was constantly behaving like a dog or a pig or a beaver and going against its nature?
I think selfishness is inherent in human nature, and in all of nature. I also question if there is anything wrong with that. there is a great symbiosis to it. a more worrisome act to me on a greater scale is the rejection of this. “for the greater good” is a loved phrase by dictators and tyrants for a reason