If the filters aren’t doing anything, why is there a change needed?
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Coders wanna code.
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because it misleading, dead code
I may be missing something here, I thought the filter is stopping a certain size. But if it doesn’t stop a certain size, they don’t need to do anything.
it doesn’t stop anything
So they can put large files on there already? Again then, why the change if it doesn’t stop anything?
because removing code that does nothing is just good software engineering, look up dead code
leaving it in adds maintenance burden and may falsely signal that is actually does something. What is the point of keeping something like that in? Other than as a tool to create a division on social media
You didn’t say if they can put large files on now or not. I am all for cleaning up code.
yes, knots does not stop anything that can be done on core today, because both follow consensus not relay policy which is unenforceable
Appreciate the replies. So the consensus rules currently allow for any size file, but the relay rules only stop the relay of large file sizes. Is that right?
Relay rules doesn’t stop anything. As long as you have a few nodes that get around filters it will eventually get in a block, and hence all knots nodes as well
Yes, i understand that. But the rule is stopping it on my node, correct? I can’t control other people’s nodes if they allow it in a block. So currently someone with a node that allows a large file to be put in a block can do it. I see, it just won’t be from my node. Next question if it code maintenance, changing it from 80 to 100000 bytes, how does this remove dead code?
Sorry, I think you missed the question at the bottom. How does changing from 80 to 100000 remove dead code?
So, does the current implementation of Core (<30) allow for an OP_RETURN of 100 bytes to make in in to a block? Are there currently 100 byte OP_RETURNS in the blockchain?
because you have to manually write the code to do it, not that it is hard relay wise.
Therefore it is the action of changing or removing the filter that allows the 100 byte OP_RETURN to make it in to a block? Which is what Core 30 will do?
The change is for 100kbytes I believe
I understand that. My point is that, as I understand (might be wrong), there should be no OP_RETURN data larger than 80 bytes in the blickchain currently. This would be due to the default setting in Core < 30. Again, I might be wrong. Trying to understand
If filters don't work then why do people pay Mara to go around them with slipstream?
From what I have learned, it just lets them get it in faster, than waiting for some random node to get it in a block.
thats an easy route but after some experimenting people realized you don’t even need that. Nodes will connect to nodes that will relay txs they want to relay.
If Mara is the easy route are you implying going around the filters is the harder route? Which is it? do filters do nothing? Or do they make it harder?
I don’t think you will find your answers here. The people responding are not giving a complete picture. Hence why you continue having so many questions.
Coders want to code.
Are you saying they need to justify their funding? Or are just bored?
I don’t know them personally so my thoughts are from my own experience.
If I was a boxer I would want to fight the champ Floyd. If I lost then I would want a rematch.
If I was a golfer I would want a shot at Jack Niclaus and Tiger Woods.
If I was a baker I would want a shot at Martha Stewart.
People want to do what they are good at. It could or could not be something malicious. That is not for me to decide.
As far as the funding goes… it’s hard to put myself in their shoes without knowing their financial situation. Everyone that I personally know that is into Bitcoin doesn’t need the funding. So I would hope that the Devs are fiscally responsible and are in this same camp.
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So who are they taking a shot at?
Can you elaborate the question a little more?
Who are the “they” in this scenario?
In your comment you had someone in a profession wanting to go up against the best in that profession, so the coders are wanting to take a shot at *insert legendary coder*. Who is the legendary coder?
Gotcha. Again, I don’t know them so this is all from my brain and not something that I have heard.
It could be a number of people or figures.
Maybe they think Satoshi’s code could be better and want to show that they have the answer.
Maybe they think they have written bad code and want to clean it up.
Maybe they want to help Bitcoin by always being available to write code when needed.
I don’t like all of the drama, name calling, and negative spirits that come out during these times, but it is sometimes called for.
So I will say that everyone of us believes that they are doing the right thing all the time. Experience has taught us that is an impossible feat. That still does not deter us from thinking that we are in the right.
We are all flawed!
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What do you think this is all about?
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#mynodemychoice
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So you leave your doors open since you assume all humans want to be good ?
You don't insure your house since you trust it won't burn down ?
When driving a car you don't follow the rules you just hope nobody wants to get in an accident and thus give you way ?
Upu don't believe in blackmailing since uou won't do such a thing ?
The debt is fake since sane person would let ot get so extreme ?
Wars are all fake news since nobody will kill someone else ?
In short "So I would hope that the Devs are fiscally responsible and are in this same camp" is so naive it is hard to believe you actually wrote it down.
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No, I definitely lock my doors. My family needs me to take these security measures.
I actually do not insure my house. I have seen many many many house fires. More than most people. You can’t replace burned family photos, can’t replace the stuffed animal that your sister has had for 30 years. No one has ever been outside of a burning building and said “I’m sure glad that we have insurance.” What they actually say is “we are still here. We all got out ok. We hope the cat got out because we can’t find him.” Then they tell stories about how they got out and what they did to get everyone else out.
You can’t replace PEOPLE. But I can build another one with my bare hands.
I do have a problem following the road rules. I am courteous to others, but on open highway I have to press the e-pedal. Going fast is my addiction.
I haven’t experienced any blackmail in my life so I don’t know how to answer this question. No I don’t consider it to be high on my list of things to watch out for.
“The debt is fake.” This is a good one. I would have to say. the debt is both real and fake.
I would like to think of it as the debt won’t kill you if it doesn’t get paid.
The wars are real. The persons being killed are real. The REASONS wars are started are fake. EX: “They have weapons of mass destruction.”
So are you saying that the Devs are not doing ok financially?
"So are you saying that the Devs are not doing ok financially?"
No I'm not.
Focus on the "in short" on the end.
It is not wise to just trust core developers.
If you do, I think you are naive; you either don't know how the real world, unfortunately, works or you don't grasp what Bitcoin factually is, perhaps some of both.
Oh, ok I see what you are saying.
I have to take it one day at a time, but from what I have witnessed… I am Team Luke until I die.
I understand how the real world works. I just like to have a positive outlook on most things in life. It helps my perception of reality.
I am often proven wrong about humanity, but I am a bleeding heart. What can I say.
As far as Bitcoin… I talk about and state that Bitcoin is the BEST thing/creation that I have ever witnessed. My friends and family think I am talking out of the side of my neck. I just tell them…
I have always been early in my life. This is no different. I am early and you will wish that you had investigated Bitcoin. As we will all need and want it.
I would like to add to this statement that I do not support the tinkering with the Bitcoin Network for “coding practice” just to see what happens, nor to clean up the code. If the system isn’t broken then there “should” (in my opinion) be no altering the code.
Maintaining something doesn’t dictate the need to alter it.
To me it just means keeping it in a ready state where you could alter if needed.
If you see it as the future global money base/standard it is too important to alter.
If you see it as a database used for data storage, then I wouldn’t have a problem altering it on a daily basis.
Satoshi said Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
I see it as an E Cash System.
How do you see it?
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#lightning
#runknots
#mynodemychoice
#noderunners
#choosewisely
#thinkdifferent
I wanted to thank you very much for your thoughts and comments about this core vs knots debate.
I am not a user with advanced knowledge and I don't know how to interpret the programming code in which this software is written.
But I am old, I have lived many years and I have learned to find the truth or rather to detect lies and manipulation.
So thank you very much for showing me so hard that I am on the right side.
Running Knots.
Unfortunately you don't understand the technical details.
You also don't understand the goal.