Replying to Avatar Guy Swann

Is it just me, or does it seem like everyone is super reluctant to monetize services and relays on #Nostr?

If we can’t make these things sustainable then we will either lose them, or they will stay nothing more than a weird little corner of the internet with lots of hope but no chance of ever scaling.

I still haven’t seen the basic model of zap sharing tried by any major client or relay. But I DO see regularly comments about how expensive relays are. I mean it might not work, but can’t we TRY it?

I want to make the distinction here too that this doesn’t mean we are closing off the network, we are adding permissions to the protocol, this doesn’t suggest at all to used closed source code, we simply need the services necessary to keep this ecosystem robust, to be profitable and have the resources to thrive. If they aren’t, then NONE of this works. Economics is everything.

I know building features is more exciting. I know we all want to make everything that we can free, and I agree all of the *code* should be shared. However, I think there is a natural insecurity (and I say this because I have this problem personally) with charging a fair price, and fearing criticism or the ire of people who believe everything should be free (as in price) when we need things to be free (as in Liberty). They are not the same, and confusing the two could stifle, or drastically slow down, the insane potential of this place.

TL;DR We have GOT to divert some energy to thinking about how to make this ecosystem sustainable, or we will lose it.

(Disclaimer: this isn’t a judgement on whoever is thinking about this problem. It just *seems* like few are. If you are building in this way please share your ideas or what you are trying. I’m extremely interested)

Relying on zaps for support creates a very toxic atmosphere actually.

I’d rather everything on Nostr require payment than have it run on donations that never arrive and people get resentful

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Personnellement je ne suis pas pour l'approche du zap pour des créateurs oui pour le reste c'est bon quoi on n'est pas chez Meta insta face pour recréer des abrutis du cerveau l'argent facile sans user des neurones il n'y a plus abetissant pour le cerveau de l'homme idem pour certaines espèces en vases closes autant qu'ils le fassent dans les téléréalités . Afin de soutenir des projets il serait utile que nous tous serions participants et non à la subjectivité trop relative qui finit par nous mener vers des travers que nous n'aurions jamais.. Rien que le Bitcoin il y a tellement de travers entre nostr et X qu'il commence à être dévié du projet cypherfunks avec tant de faux profils et d'imposteurs liés à notre part de cupidité humaine si nous ne demeurons Humbles .

Oui aux dons participatifs qui concernent cet environnement très communautaires sur l'entraide en cas de difficultés techniques non pour être l'armée du salut