Then the level of education of the children depends on the cognitive/intellectual abilities of the parents

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Not always true. If your kid went through developments delays they may never learn at the same level as the parent.

Maybe. But what about the children whose parents don't have the capacity? You assume your, no doubt, high level of education and your certainly above-average intellect.

It’s not a maybe it’s a fact. If a kid is neurologically is not 100% (whatever that implies), they won’t learn at the same level.

Not sure I understand the second part. Feels like we are on the same page about that.

The education a child receives depends on many often unfair conditions. Many children are not seen and perceived. If one puts the education now completely (parents should always have a considerable part in the education of their children) into the hands of the parents, then everything depends on these parents and their possibilities and interest. I think we are rather privileged here, so it may seem impossible that parents can not ensure the optimal education

If I understand what you’re saying - that not all parents are qualified to educate - then I 100% agree. Even if they didn’t force a curriculum, a curious kid would meet a dead end by approaching them.

I have taught in many communities where the parents were non existent or would abuse their children. For some, I was the first male they had met who didn’t hurt them. There are many problems with our education systems, but for these children my classroom was their only hope and the only safe place they knew.

It has an effect but if you leave children alone they are born with superpowers of learning but we destroy that with school

I am not saying that school as it exists is good, but it is also not as simple as presented here

Yes it’s nuanced but we can agree that school incentives mechanical learning and learning from an authority( teacher) plus schooling is coerced which breeds fear and fear is the enemy of learning

That might only be true for kids that are locked in a closet for their entire lives.

Not true

People learn from peers; education doesn’t happen in the classroom

I dunno, learned quite a bit in classrooms, and I was the lazy type 😂

seen vs unseen

same! not everything in the process of gaining knowledge should be a first hand experience – radiation as an pretty obvious example.

for centuries kids are enlightened by grownups – not only bc it’s the way to control if the knowledge corresponds with the reality and can be useful – but also because the relationship between teacher and student is built on authority. the last thing is rooted in nature of most highly developed animals – children often try to mimic what grownups do

I work for a foundation that does a lot of work in the banlieus. The children there are definitely forgotten by society and politics. But how should their parents, who sometimes can't even write, educate them?

I’d say this is the majority of adults. Even with good intentions they have no business facilitating learning of any kind. Sadly.

💯 and there are also teachers who shouldn’t be in the classroom either.

True

Every child is different, some can learn better and more at home, others need the school environment. My son is extremely intelligent and I could never offer him a better education than what he’s getting at his school. Different strokes for different folks.

That’s it. There is not one way

Exactly, and teachers don’t teach one way either.

Def. Had bad teachers and great ones.

Of course, just like there are bad developers, bad lawyers and bad accountants. It’s just shittier when your own child has a crappy teacher because you have to watch how it affects your child. It’s terrible.

I’m like how someone put it one time - maybe it was Balaji: schools are full of thousands of mediocre teachers; what you need is an amazing teacher in thousands of schools simultaneously. Paraphrasing.

In my experience, there are more good than bad. It’s just that the bad ones can’t be hidden away like in other professions, and in my country their jobs are protected by unions.

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Ooof hell of a question. Would love to talk more about what you do offline

Oh I’ve always wanted to know more about the banlieu’s. I worked in the same field and the states so it’s interesting, and depressing, to watch the same dynamics play out globally