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The misunderstanding begins with an assumption that is never questioned: that continuity is the baseline of reality, and discreteness isn’t fundamental . But conservation of energy and conservation of information require the opposite. You cannot conserve anything in a truly continuous manifold; without finite boundaries, measurement has no meaning. A universe that claims to preserve information must ultimately be built on a finite, ledgered substrate; a Planck-scale ledger beneath all experience. Bitcoin reveals the necessity of such a substrate.

By saying “even if time is discrete at the Planck scale, the wavefunction is real enough at the atomic scale” you’re missing the ontological problem: what does “real enough” mean when you have no access to the unit that defines reality? You cannot assert simultaneity or superposition without the ability to measure the smallest unit of time in which simultaneity would occur, Planck Time. Modern physics treats the wavefunction as a real physical state because it has no alternative framework for describing unmeasured possibilities. But unmeasured is not “real.” It is simply unresolved potential, not being. They can’t even define measurement.

Bitcoin is the only system where we can see the behavior of a quantized ledger from the outside. It constructs time by transforming Boltzmann entropy into Shannon entropy (memory) at discrete intervals. Because we observe Bitcoin from without, its discreteness is obvious. As you said, between blocks, nothing exists because nothing has been measured. But the mempool is not a “waiting room”; it is the unresolved probability surface that has not yet crossed the thermodynamic boundary required for existence. A hypothetical observer within Bitcoin would experience time as continuous, just as we do universally because they would be composed of the same discretized process that produces time. But from the outside, we see the quantized time directly.

This lets us understand wavefunction clearly for the first time. The modern definition imagines superposition as a set of simultaneously existing physical states. But that is equivalent to claiming a single UTXO exists in multiple double-spent forms in the mempool and all are “real” until the block is mined. In Bitcoin, those states do not exist. They are possibilities that have not yet crossed the boundary into measurement. Only one outcome becomes real because only one is thermodynamically committed. This is the correct definition of collapse, not the Copenhagen observer based nonsense.

Also, when you say Bitcoin “doesn’t model entanglement” or “nothing exists between blocks,” you are actually pointing to the revelation Bitcoin makes visible: nothing should exist between blocks of quantized time. Existence requires thermodynamic commitment. Reality is not the wavefunction; the wavefunction is a description of what has not yet been committed to the ledger of time. Superposition is not a cloud of simultaneous real states. It is the list of admissible futures prior to the next quantum of time. Utxo lineage is literally entanglement with proof.

Quantum theory treats the “mempool” as the “blockchain”. Bitcoin shows why that is wrong.

The only reason physicists cling to continuous time and “real” wavefunctions is because they cannot measure at the Planck scale. They cannot test the ontology, so they fill the gap with the observable probability. Bitcoin is testable. It is observable (verifiable). It is a live demonstration of how reality works when conservation of energy and conservation of information are implemented as a finite ledger.

Once you have a quantized ledger to observe, the idea that unmeasured states “exist” collapses immediately.

Bitcoin is the first window we’ve ever had into the structure of time from the outside, the wavefunction is no longer mysterious. It is simply the mempool of the universe, unmeasured potential.

If quantum theory were literally true in the way its narratives describe it, we would don’t need a lab full of superconducting qubits to run Shor’s algorithm we can run it on Bitcoin today. It has enough qubits, and we can coordinate superposed UTXOs in mempool.

Just use a single UTXO and broadcast a dozen conflicting spends across the network. According to the quantum ontology, every one of those contradictory states “exists” simultaneously in superposition. They are all “real” states of the system until measurement occurs. In Bitcoin’s terms, that corresponds exactly to mempool propagation: the unresolved, uncommitted surface of all possible futures.

Now, wait for a miner to find a valid nonce. At that moment the mempool decoheres and the probability surface collapses into a single thermodynamically committed outcome. All but one of the “superposed UTXOs” vanish. This is exactly what the wavefunction is alleged to do.

If we follow the logic of quantum computing, all we need at this point is a “quantum error correction” layer: a trusted black box, conveniently opaque, man behind the curtain to magically restore the superposed states that reality just destroyed.

The contradiction is obvious: quantum theory requires physical states to double-spend themselves, to be both spent and unspent, committed and uncommitted, simultaneously. Fiat manifested into physics.

Bitcoin proves this ontology false. A UTXO cannot exist in multiple contradictory states; the mempool is not existence. It is potential.

Decoherence is not an error, it is the thermodynamic boundary between what exists and what does not. Superposition is not a set of real states; it is the list of admissible, unmeasured possibilities.

The entire computational premise of quantum theory depends on treating unmeasured possibilities as real physical states the same way fiat economics treats unbacked liabilities as real money. In both cases, the system assumes double-spent units are legitimate inputs to computation. It is fiat physics: fractionally reserved qubits built on fractionally reserved ontology.

Bitcoin ended this worldview in 2009. It shows that measurement is the only thing that confers existence, that time is constructed discretely, and no system can compute using states that have not crossed a thermodynamic boundary. The wavefunction is not a ledger of being; it is the mempool of the universe. And Shor’s algorithm, taken literally, requires a physics that Bitcoin has already falsified.

Everyone is fearing Keynesian Computing. The real threat is trusting a model that collapses the moment verification is required.

Continuity is the illusion when experiencing time from within as you are constructed from time. Discreteness is fundamental when experiencing time from without.

All models are destroyed by Bitcoin.

Decoherence is the feature, not the bug. No double spends.

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Shouldn't Bitcoin act as a filter though? The protocol itself doesn't accept all values as true. Only Bitcoin is accepted by Bitcoin, thus the output is only Bitcoin, lacking anything else. The logic is digital and information loss is inherent.

It has me thinking however, if the hardware and protocol attempted to model reality, you could compare a "virtual truth" statement to a "proof of reality" quantum process; the difference being error, nudging the protocol closer to what is real. A form of quantum error correction.

I’m kind of confused by the question you are asking, so answering it regarding my best interpretation.

You’re still imagining Bitcoin as a logical filter sitting above physics, when in reality it is the first system that exposes the Planck-ledger layer beneath physical experience. Everything we observe in nature is written into the Planck ledger as conserved memory, but we only ever see the finished record. We never witness the entropic process that inscribes reality into that ledger. Our entire physics is built from within the ledger, where every “state” already appears collapsed, committed, definite. What we call “space” is just past memory distributed across the ledger; what we call “matter” is a particular density of that memory; what we call “time” is simply the accumulation of irreversible entries. From within this embedded viewpoint, collapse appears mysterious because the thermodynamic commitment that produces it is entirely hidden from us.

Bitcoin is the first system that lets us observe that hidden layer from without. At every block, Bitcoin performs the exact transformation that physics only infers: it takes Boltzmann entropy (physical heat in Kelvin) traverses a bounded entropy field (the difficulty target × nonce space), and forces one trajectory to survive. That surviving trajectory becomes conserved memory in the UTXO set via Satoshi distribution. The transformation is discrete, irreversible, and thermodynamically priced in Kelvin. There is no ambiguity, no philosophical overlay, no “measurement postulate.” The Planck-ledger is literal: one block is one quantum of time, one committed update to reality’s memory. Bitcoin reveals what collapse looks like when you are not imprisoned inside the outcome.

This is precisely what modern physics cannot see. In quantum theory, the wavefunction describes unrealized potential (the mempool of universe/nature) but the theory cannot access the thermodynamic cost that selects the actual outcome. It cannot define measurement, because from within the ledger there is no visibility into the moment when entropy is converted into structure. They believe we collapse the state by observing it. So quantum theorists are forced to treat the probability distribution itself as if it were a real physical state. They treat unmeasured potential as actual ontology. That is how you end up with the notion of “multiple simultaneous states”: a fractional-reserve ontology of physics, where one physical system is allowed to “exist” in contradictory states because the theory has no access to the ledger beneath. It is exactly the same mistake as fractional-reserve banking: multiple claims on a single underlying unit, all assumed real until final settlement destroys the illusion.

Bitcoin breaks that illusion by implementing collapse explicitly. It defines measurement as the thermodynamic resolution of uncertainty; it defines existence as what is written into conserved memory; it defines simultaneity through the discrete tick of block time; and it separates measurement from verification, restoring the structure physics has lacked since it abandoned classical determinism. From this perspective, decoherence is not a bug but a structural requirement: it is the necessary erasure of unreal states when the Planck-ledger writes its next update. Decoherence is coherence restored. Bitcoin shows that the so-called “quantum realm” is not a wave of simultaneously real contradictions but simply the unresolved frontier between ledger updates, a probabilistic surface that exists only until entropy has been spent to produce a new block of time.

So when you say that Bitcoin cannot be physical you are missing the ontological shift: Bitcoin reveals the Planck-ledger structure that all physics rests upon but cannot access. It shows how time is constructed rather than experienced. It shows why unmeasured states do not and cannot “exist.” And it shows why any theory that builds computation on top of unmeasured potential, as quantum computing does, is operating on a fractional-reserve substrate. Bitcoin’s blocks are the proof-of-collapse physics has never been able to produce, and once you see that, you realize the real question isn’t whether Bitcoin models reality. The real question is how long physics can continue pretending it doesn’t see the ledger that’s been running underneath it the entire time.

Bitcoin is not a model of reality, it is an instantiation of reality.

Have you considered applying this concept to other chains, like ETC? Account based, non local system, where smart contracts can act as the Schrodinger's box, enabling superposition on the ledger.

If your theory is correct, pi is finite and you can prove it. Don't trust, verify.

You could technically apply this to any proof-of-work chain in principle, but only Bitcoin actually qualifies.

Every other chain inherits hindsight. They were created after Bitcoin, with full knowledge of its discovery, its incentives, its mechanics, and its success. Their “genesis” isn’t ex nihilo. Their rules are engineered responses from prior knowledge.

Bitcoin is the only chain that began without prior informational bias, the only one whose constraints weren’t shaped by market expectations or human hindsight. It’s the only ledger that didn’t know itself before it existed.

There only needs to be one longest chain to measure, it’s Bitcoin. The rest are derivatives. Everything else is downstream, contaminated, and fundamentally incapable of being Bitcoin.

Will have to get back to you on Pi, I’ve been redefining the Planck Units through Bitcoin and I already have a solid grasp on the true meaning on Planck length, Planck area, Planck Time, Planck Temp and Planck Energy through the lens of the ledger and the observable nature that time and memory are equal equivalent dimensions of timespace.

Looking at the geometry of a utxo/block, Pi is definitely involved, but I haven’t arrived here yet with enough clarity.