Let's think about the fact that Ethereum's TornadoCash is more censorship resistant than Bitcoin's Whirlpool. TornadoCash is smarts contract based, and still running today despite the devs being arrested 1 year ago.

If you say joinmarket 1 more time... Joinmarket does not even compare. What we need is an alternative ZeroLink coinjoin implementation that is decentralized from the start.

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Monero devs got arrested many years ago. Not all, but at least one. Tornado/ETH fees are too high.

I was not recommending it, just making an observation.

Monero devs should definitely be afraid now...

I'll ask rbrunner if he's afraid next time we talk.

Serious question: Why does joinmarket not compare? Isn't the whole point of it that everyone can run a coordinator?

Does not compare in terms of privacy gained. Ir leaks some deterministic links, does not maximize entropy.

Iirc joinmarket txs have been unmixed in the past by CA.

They each have pros and cons, but I believe Samourai Whirlpool was the only one with 100% entropy mixing

nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg JoinMarket is designed to provide a decentralized alternative to central coordination services in the realm of collaborative transactions, specifically CoinJoins

. The purpose of JoinMarket is not to compare or compete with other platforms, but rather to offer a protocol that facilitates collaborative transactions in an open market setting

. By avoiding a central coordinator, JoinMarket eliminates the risks associated with a single point of failure and the potential for decisions that may not align with users' best interests.

The decentralized nature of JoinMarket allows anyone to run a coordinator, ensuring that the coordination service is not controlled by a single entity

. This approach promotes a free and open space where users can engage in collaborative transactions without the influence of centralized control or fees imposed by a central coordinator.

#JoinMarket #Decentralization #CollaborativeTransactions #CoinJoins #OpenMarket #BitcoinPrivacy

What I'm kind of confused about is I could've sworn they just recently decentralized coordinators. Did that never happen?

They were in the process of doing that. Feds probably pushed to make their move before it could be released

Fuck, so disappointing...

I suspect them doing attempting to decentralize it rushed the seizure.