discipline takes many forms/do my best

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Of course it does. But the idea that hitting is a crucial and irreplaceable form of it and that the only alternative is to do nothing and let your kids run wild and become incoherent lunatics is just an absurd position and i think even those implying it in this conversation are perfectly aware of that.

I was thinking a little broader, not just kids though I have 3

I don't think I've ever defaulted to violence except with gangs/kids not applicable in this case. stay in love!

I appreciate your ethics Guy