So my friends in lisbon who were very and extremely early to ETH are all full send into memecoins.

It’s kinda sad and sobering talking to them as the vibe is glib.

But then I remember they throw the lavish parties and live in villas with pools, expensive art and cleaners. lol.

Anyway. Their initial hope and belief that ethereum might actually provide some financial innovation or help, for example, millennials get a home with some clever on chain mortgage have evaporated.

There’s now Revolut, Wise, Monzo all sorts of neobanking solutions and the stuff they tried on ethereum doesn’t work as well nor have the traction of incumbent solutions.

The idealistic devs are now worn out and jaded. The ones remaining are now trying to secure the bag…Hence meme coins.

They’re a bit older than me, 33 to 41 ish and some of them are chatting kids.

So the focus is now: how we can 100x “popcoin” or some other meme junk so they can buy a restaurant and live quietly in Portugal.

They know it’s all scam bag pumping scheme and there’s a meme coin cabal running the meme space but they don’t care.

Secure the bag and GTFO is the play.

They’re wicked smart it feels a waste of talent.

And no, despite my best attempts they don’t understand bitcoin.

Two of them were hedgies before ethereum. The other two are hardcore devs from Germany who spent time in Silicon Valley.

I guess they’ve been comparatively rich for at least a decade and they don’t really see the separation of money and state part.

It’s sad and a bit funny.

I wish they’d see the orange light but part of me resents the shite they’ve peddled for years.

Ramble over.

Have a good evening Nostr ✌🏻

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Do you think their ideologies are a mirror of ETH's incentives, or is ETH a mirror of their ideologies?

Idk this question makes my head hurt. I think they’re caught up in life’s game

Some people were just born to be scammers. Don't take it personally, their minds just aren't cut out for low time preference thinking.

Some people were just born to be scammers. Don't take it personally, their minds just aren't cut out for low time preference thinking.

Get better friends. They sound like scumbags & spending time with them would be a version of hell for me.

You do you though.

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I know right. But they don’t see what they’re doing as bad or unethical. They can’t see it

Sad story. I guess we all buy Bitcoin at the price we deserve

Sad but true

- "They’re wicked smart it feels a waste of talent"

But are they? If you don't have the humility to learn how can you be "smart"

My point is just that I don't consider people to be "smart" if they are unwilling to learn or listen

Some people are just wired for it.

It's like shitcoins were invented for people who were becoming jaded by old network marketing or MLM scams. The amount of those folks that are now into shitcoins cannot be a coincidence.

Shitcoining will continue until morale improves !

Friends?

Yeah I surf with them a fair bit and we have some overlapping interests. Plus they don’t mind I call them shitcoiners

This is such a mingboggling fact

The other day I was with my good friend who works for the french government. In the cyber security. I ve been trying to orange pill him for years but he won't make the effort.

So we were in my car and I start telling him about economics and how it is a normal economic function to expect something in return.

He was bragging about saying no to his bank as they harass him to open an investment account. Thzt it was his little joy to tell them to fuck off because he dont want people to make money out of pure money simply sitting somewhere.

He doesnt understand simple interest rates and why they are necessary. He says he does not care about finance and that bitcoin is just speculation and energy waste.

He has this utopist way of thinking. People should share and give everything freely. He says pow is wasteful and that we should find a better way for exchanging. He could hack anything but cannot hack the money problem 😀

I ont give up. One day he will store his wealth in bitcoin, not because it is fruitful. But because it is the right thing to do if you wanna live in a world where sharing is easier and sobriety is THE way of life

For me what truly clicked was the everybody saving in Bitcoin idea.

Basically Bitcoin allows for the first time the poorest people in the world benefit from insider trade information on the richest people in the world.

It's in essence the best social security anyone can get, especially in poorer countries.

Maybe this position could help.

But hey, like you said, he will eventually use it anyways :)

The public ledger is often overseen but if it is the thing that made it click for you i 1m glad to have you here ;)

A selfless approach luv it !

When you’re sitting on a top of a pile you don’t want others to take that away from you.

They’re comfortable in the current system, that’s why they don’t want to change it.

Yeah I agree

I have looked into the shitcoin scene. There are some interesting ideas. Besides the fact that 99% are complete crap(and finding 1% is next to impossible), the biggest problem in the shitcoin scene is its full of scammers, bullshitters pretty much all the worst qualities you can think of, getting attracted to the shit coin scene. Bitcoin is totally opposite. Best people I've met ever, strong principles, good core values.

I have a friend that raves about crypto, really "clever guy" IT security specialist, but he can't seem to grasp why bitcoin is so transformative, I think they can't see the problems it is solving.

I'm still trying to figure out why some people get orange pilled and others don't. Based on my track record and bitcoin friends I've spoke to its around 1% or less. I'm not sure why its so low?

Your friends are smart but not wise

The whole game is rigged by criminal market makers who go from coin to coin fleecing the communities…

I have a friend who tried to make an “organic” meme coin. As in he literally told the community he was going to rug them in 69 years and that this thing was not serious. Showed them all the time-locked contract code, etc. The meme content was actually funny, and he’s a gifted marketer/community builder. His entry to the space was timed pretty perfectly too with one of the meme coin bonanzas. It took off a little, but eventually sputtered out and now he’s not sure what to do with the community he’s gathered. He was approached by these market maker groups and figured out the real game by talking to them. Obviously didn’t want to go to jail so never worked with them- but realized that’s how all this garbage gets big. The founders aren’t even the ones doing well off of it (relatively, in most cases), the real people making profits are the offshore criminal market makers grabbing 80% of the supply and running the algo-trading powered pump and dumps.

Different wavelengths, I suppose 🤷🏽‍♂️