I mean, right now, the most private and least controlled means for people to buy things is with #fiat: cash.

I know, it's value is manipulated by the central bank, but that is a product of the banking system. If everyone held cash, then the Fed would be impotent. Cash itself is fundamentally decentralized in the sense that it doesn't rely on a central authority to handle organizing exchange; you don't have to wait for the check to clear when you pay cash. Moreover, whatever you buy is between you and the seller; it's not visible to anyone else.

Until a crypto technology can replicate that kind of privacy, then the state will always have an upper hand on controlling people through money. Hell, they can effectively steal your money by blacklisting it when they know you have it! That's an extremely effective means of control, let alone knowing what you're buying and selling.

From what I understand, #Monero is the closest at trying to solve this problem, but it certainly isn't the most popular.

In my opinion, this is the single most important issue that #Bitcoin has left to resolve. Until then, I hate to say it, but #Bitcoin is just a game.

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But money's been around for hundreds of thousands of years. We've all seen the evil that comes from money: The rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer. It's a tale as old as time.

Folks are looking at Bitcoin and all those other digital coins as a way to change things, maybe. We live in hope, after all.

This is not what happens and even if it were, it would not "come from money."

So what does happen? Sorry, I'm not following. Could you please explain it to me in more detail if you can?

The rich don't get richer and the poor don't get poorer. In economies that prioritize private property and free enterprise, the poor get richer, the rich get richer. In states with redistributive welfare policies (like almost all western nations), inequality doesn't really go up either.

I should add that I do not believe that material inequality is a bad thing. If these redistributive policies were phased out, I wouldn't care insofar as it means people have more material inequality. What matters is poverty and inequality does not cause poverty.

Regardless of all of this, it has never been the case that money per se is the cause of any of these issues. Money is a general medium of exchange. It doesn't force anyone to do anything.

Yes, so go ahead and use cash. Your post is noise.

Idk, I think the fundamental promise of Bitcoin as an alternative money to fiat is somewhat complicated by its inability to be a full replacement for fiat.

Who made you a promise? Use it if you want, or don't. The benefits of cash over bitcoin are obvious, but cash has limitations too.

Bitcoin exists because bad people use the State to debase currency and maximize their power over their tax livestock. It's very simple. Bitcoin gives us more options and more freedom.

Monetary manipulation cannot be subverted by Bitcoin if people do not use Bitcoin as money. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be useful in this regard. I'm saying that a prerequisite for it to *actually be useful* in this regard would be that it be a general medium of exchange.

The problem of Bitcoin's lack of privacy is a significant obstacle to it's acceptance as a general medium of exchange.

The challenge is that 90%+ of people dgaf about monetary manipulation. They don't want bitcoin and they aren't upset about money printing. Bitcoin isn't going to fix an immoral society. For that, you need peaceful parenting so people don't accept evil. We live in public school society.

But thanks to bitcoin, any sovereign individual can have much greater financial freedom.

People will want Bitcoin if they expect to be able to exchange it for goods and services. You don't need a society of people raised to believe in sound money for this process to take effect.

There has to be some reason for people to want bitcoin besides being able to buy stuff, because centralized fiat garbage works so much better for that.

And businesses aren't going to start accepting bitcoin just because you want them to. They need to be made to understand the benefit to them. Why do you care anyway? Do you have some bitcoin you want to spend? Just ask businesses if you can pay with it and then convince them to take it.

The only reason people demand money is to buy stuff with it. Literally, that is it's sole function.

oh no, that's not good!

if you have anymore arguments, please refer to this quote:

Then why'd you reply?

oh I sent the reply first and then this quote.