never met a vegetarian/vegan who has considered the ecosystem holocaust brought about for every plowed/harvested field.

not much karmic accounting there. most have never baled hay or plowed a field or seen first hand the damage to small species & their habitats this causes. They tend to fall into a mamilian sympathy trap whereby animals with more facial mobility/recognition are somehow more sacred.

on the whole it seems most ethical to raise, hunt & grow your own food where possible, and to locally & free range source always. Reducing your consumption to what our society would deem extreme is important too. overabundance & access has made us soft & delusional. just my two cents

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This argument is why (to my knowledge) I have no vegan friends 😁

Estoy muy a favor con el campo y con comer carne 🥩

How'd u know if someone is vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell u within 30 seconds

I was a vegetarian for a really long time based on this thinking.

The ethical basis for these kinds of altered consumption patterns are extremely hollow for the reason you point out - there is no such thing as a diet that has zero impact on other creatures. We can minimize that impact but it will always be there. If you are alive, it's because other beings died for your benefit.

The song Disgustipated explores this topic

Hunting is by far the most ethical. Then you just kill what you need. But animals get to live their own real life before that. When you raise, you enslave them before killing them.

They also don’t seem to understand that mono crop agriculture has far more devastating cost on the land that any sort of animal farming.

Those corn & soy fields were extremely diverse forests, savanna’s, etc before everything was destroyed and leveled for their pesticide & artificial fertilizer doused fields

And even if you try to raise plants ethically, which I’ve tried - you have to introduce farm animals if you want to do it on any meaningful scale. They recycle nutrients like no other & the land needs them

Not all vegans and vegetarians are so for altruistic reasons. Some simply choose it for health reasons. Same applies to different diets.

But yes, I agree with you that it is more ethical to consume what you grow, raise or hunt, locally or in the wild.

What are the health benefits of a vegan diet?

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When I meet a vegan I tell them if you wanna be friends with me:

1- Go to therapy

2- Eat a piece of meat

Then…

3- Talk to me

Their mental disassociation is on another level

I've never heard of the mamilian sympathy trap. Especially considering how many rodents die when harvesting monocrops, it seems like another vegan cop out.

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Food choice is an expression of individual liberty, irrespective if you eat animals. Rights are a human concept and therefore cannot be applied amongst non concept animals.

Ethical veganism: Become a plant 🌿

Lierre Keith shares some interesting facts about vegetarian/vegan diets that most people have never considered...

Could you give a quick overview of this book?

there is zero ethical reason to be a vegetarian or vegan. it's a fact that more animals die when growing veggies and fruits than raising animals wrt nutritional and caloric value. they're insane to believe otherwise.

I saw The Secret of NIMH. I know what happens when the plow comes...