Testing some things with real items. Want to try, itโ€™ll cost you 1000 sats that will go to the dev (not me) but you get to keep what you download, and retain the rights to use it anyway you see fit! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

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Told me the page was forbidden lol

Works for me! You mean the link doesnโ€™t work or when you try to go forward? ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

I paid the Sats but then it went to a forbidden page. Might be my browser.

I've seen this paywall service before. Last time it didn't work for me either.

Thatโ€™s weird. Maybe try clearing cache for this page? I am not sure. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Hmm, I will try clearing my cache and cookies and use a different browser as a default.

This time it worked. Set chrome as default. It didn't like the Samsung browser.

Good to know! Thank you! The pic is yours to keep and use as you want! The funds are going to dev! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

I'm going to print it as a flag and fly it in my lawn. And tell people I acquired it from the amazing #[5]

Lol! Thank you! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

Makes sense. Samsung browser sucks, I do tech support at my fiat job. And sometimes the saml gateway won't work for the app I do tech support for. Changing the default browser to Chrome usually fixes it.

Probably some issues with how it handles cookies and redirects! Not sure! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

Let me know if you ever need any further assistance. Love troubleshooting! ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿงก

Undoubtedly! Thank you again ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซก

I zapped it back. Can you try again please! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

I don't think it's an issue with the pay wall, I feel it's my phone .

Alright, thank for feedback. Btw it seems that your payment didnโ€™t go through! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Lol #[1]โ€‹ you have to click the link and follow the screen! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚

Yeahhhh I kinda worked that out afterwards lol ๐Ÿ˜‚

Noooo you didnโ€™t have to zap it backโ€ฆconsider it a little โ€˜bonus feeโ€™ ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ’œ

You know you could raid the price when you get to pay wall! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

Raise not raid! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

Yes Sir ok ๐Ÿซก

Did it! Itโ€™s great, love it ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿซ‚

Beautiful picture. Everything worked fine.

Thank you, fren! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚

It worked โšก๏ธ Payed with Muun and received a nice pic ๐Ÿ˜€

Enjoy! Hope it was worth your sats! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚ thank you!

I like to support devs ๐Ÿ˜€

I should run more of this โ€œgive alwaysโ€ that support devs! Thank you again! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚

i got san fran at night

Thank you! It was in the description! Itโ€™s high quality print ready! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

Ah bugger, I am going to be there in a week, could have saved myself 1000 sats๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Lol! You did make it smaller so I guess itโ€™s ok! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿซ‚

Whoops didnโ€™t think about what I did , you are selling a picture and I post it for free, I am sorry didnโ€™t think that thru, ill shut up now

Itโ€™s fine, itโ€™s a test and you we are doing it to support devs. People who wish will do it anyway! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿคฃ

It says I can do whatever I like with it so I choose to share if any one wants my pic its all yours.

Lol! Then who will pay for it after this! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

i just posted that before I read this, I am an idiot

No! Itโ€™s alright. Part of the test and something to think about. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ˜‚

I guess we can look at as showcasing the original, itโ€™s a like a thumb nail of the hi res print version.

Yep! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚

Itโ€™s actually a good idea! You are genius, #[2]โ€‹ ! We need to have a small preview in the post and then if people like it , they get access to full res. Maybe even watermark on preview! Thank you! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•

Phew, im out of the shit , I feel better now. Yes a water mark mid size image not too small as you canโ€™t appreciate it enough. However I do like the idea of a mystery bag, which is what I thought I got, I just thought each link would be different. So you now have two options, preview and mystery bag. A good option for mystery bag would be a pic of #[3]โ€‹ feet at the high end or your dogs ass at the low end. Just an idea

Waitโ€ฆwhat? My feet picโ€ฆyes I would look at options for these Sir please advise ๐Ÿซก

We need to start selling #footstr pics! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

Lol! All good ideas, especially #[2]โ€‹ feet and #[4]โ€‹ ass! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

Iโ€™ve got the feet ๐Ÿฆถ and you have the arse..together we can some corn ๐ŸŒฝ๐Ÿ˜‚

Lol! We gonna be swimming in ๐ŸŒฝ! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

albeit a bit smelly

Sirโ€ฆI can guarantee you that my feet smell absolutely lovelyโ€ฆperfectly perfumed ๐Ÿ˜‚

Fuck, I am crying now! Stop this madness! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ btw itโ€™s Chanel perfume smelling feet ๐Ÿฆถ

Oh forgive me my comment was only in regard to fish bum

So true! Perfect dogโ€™s ass smell! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Iโ€™m sure Fishโ€™s butt smells lovely ๐Ÿ˜‚

It does! Itโ€™s very clean! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

Great name for an underarm deodorant, Fresh Fish Butt- The scent of fresh atalnic salmon

๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ’•

Maybe we should bottle thatโ€ฆpeople might pay big corn for it..thereโ€™s an avenue here for every single thing ๐Ÿ˜‚

I donโ€™t judge, if people love and pay for something, all power to them. In Japan we have vending machines that sell used female underwear. It sells out. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

What the fuck, can you send me pair

I am not going anywhere near that, not my thing! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

See thereโ€™s a market for everything and anything ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Yes! Nostr supposed to be weird, so we can keep it as such! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Oddly Iโ€™ve never seen one

The question you should be asking isโ€ฆdo you actually want to see one ๐Ÿ˜‚

Well I know there are people (mostly women?) who make a living out of selling worn underwear. There are entire Reddit subs dedicated to it (learned from a friend ๐Ÿ˜œ) but those people tend to take photos and have a social following. Iโ€™m curious how random women underwear have anywhere near similar effect? But I guess they do? Do they come with photos? A little story about the journey of the panties? I AM curious for the sake of learning about this phenomenon.

Well I have absolutely zero idea about this! Ewww who the hell would want my used underwear??

I am guessing like feet people really like footstr there are people out there that enjoy sniffing used underwear!

Hopefully they get their fiatโ€™s worth and get as much info as possible ๐Ÿ˜‚

All true. It was even featured on Japanese TV, thatโ€™s how I know about it. Usually young women supply the used underwear, and other males purchase them! Vending machine helps with maintenance of buyers privacy! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿ˜‚

Dunno not my area of expertise or interest but I imagine thereโ€™s a fetish for everything. Some lonely guy with affection for someone heโ€™s never met but follows only has a chance to buy something so intimate that belongs to the person they follow might pull the trigger on that purchase. What you do with that later is up to anyoneโ€™s imagination ๐Ÿ˜‚ but this is why Iโ€™m curious what people get out of the vending machine underwear? It could belong to anyone? Even if thereโ€™s a picture, it could be fake? How do they verify who wore it? ๐Ÿ˜‚

By smell! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

Pubic hair colour is always a give away

Ewwww ๐Ÿคข

Somehow I just think to them itโ€™s about the fantasy. They donโ€™t care nor want to know the intricacy of it all they just want to imagine their perfect fantasy and smell away the underwear of whom they fantasise about.

Probably! And I donโ€™t judge them. Seems harmless to me! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Akihabara dark corners, and Katabukicho I think. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿซก

I think you need to get out a little gorgeous cat ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ˜บ

That maybe too! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Seems to be a trend I notice, if @Marieโ€‹ gets involved in a conversation it always ends up very very far away from where it started and dare I say it a little strange,

Like it should be in Nostr! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

What do you mean Sir, I always stick to the brief ๐Ÿ˜‚

This will be tough for people who want to monetize their content, if the first person who paid can post itโ€ฆ this will be a big problem. Just saying.

True! And a good test. Piracy is a hard problem so we mostly have to trust to an extent! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

I agree ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

It is just like an NFT! One person pays a lot of money for it and everyone else can just share the Jpeg! ๐Ÿคฃ

Well, not exactly. Letโ€™s say you want a print quality jpeg that you can use in production. Or AI vector file, or PSD. You can easily have that and bind people by the terms of use. If they pay 100K or more, they are less likely to share it freely. Itโ€™s the same with any other digitygoods on the internet! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Yeah thatโ€™s what I was trying to get acrossโ€ฆ.๐Ÿ˜‚

The problem is though that it is completely anonymous so terms of use are basically pointless as there is no way to enforce them. You canโ€™t really sue an npub for copyright infringement.

Digital violence

True! I guess one more problem to solve. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

They have the same issue with shit coin Jpegs. Like the bored ape guys suing people for miss use. Itโ€™s a lawyers playground. Money for jam for that lot

You could have some sort of DRM but then that very much limits how it could be used.

DRM is doable, but not desirable. We will have to put some trus into people not doing bad shit. If it happened, then itโ€™s ok. If it becomes systemic, then we will need to give it a hard look! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Can it be a set of items that have a digital encryption in the meta data. Making it unique? Or is that ordinals. So complicated. See what you have done fish

We donโ€™t need that shit! We can have standard JPEG metadata and thatโ€™s all. Making it too complex is just going to make things wors! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚

You can embed copyright info etc into a Jpeg but that can just be stripped out anyway. Or you can just screenshot.

Precisely! No way around, trust me, I know and have experience. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

The only way is to charge sufficiently high that user would feel more protective of it! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

I think there are probably uses cases for both. In the case I was talking about in the other thread for creators wanting to monetise content then DRM may be desirable so that only a user that had paid for the content can view it. In the case of a digital asset that has some sort of terms of service allowing use then DRM doesnโ€™t work.

If you can view it you can snatch it. So no way around it. Can restrict url based on cookies for sure. Rehosting it breaks that protection! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Yeah I was thinking more for video content where it is harder to get a perfect copy if the stream was encrypted but you could obviously still do a screen record of it.

Video is surprisingly easier. Well developed and usable by common plebs. Many DRM solutions in place! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Lol, I hadnโ€™t looked into this but yes from a quick search it looks like there are tools that are easily available to bypass the common DRM mechanisms.

This is the same pic I brought ๐Ÿ˜ณ

I know I know I screwed the pooch. It was all part of the elaborate test

It was a good test! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

Yes, but at lower quality and resolution! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

I have a copy of the Mona Lisa only 100 sats

Purchased! Now itโ€™s mine! Stop looking at it! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

Itโ€™s all yours but I have a slightly better one that Iโ€™m now selling. 200 sats. Sorry

#[3]โ€‹ you liked your own note, your account is burnt! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

I do that sometimes I have fat thumbs