Nostr

What about hospitals etc?

Every time government gets involved with Healthcare, things go from difficult to bad to deadly.

You can count on that.

Where? Here it happens every time private sector is involved

Canada, Soviet Union, China. Almost certainly everywhere the state gains too much power.

The state tends to be incompetent and corrupt. The private sector will prioritize profits in a fiat world. Neither is good and both result in fewer helped and more dead over time.

Yes the state tends to be incompetent and corrupt, i agree on this. But then what we need is control on the state. Not the private sector (there are exceptions of course, the state can't provide everything).

What i really mean is that i hear wild stories from USA with the private sector on health there and i consider this situation trully barbaric

Lol The US hardly has private healthcare. It's the most regulated industry second only to the financial industry. And the government uses it's control of currency and healthcare spending to dictate a lot of things we do in healthcare (I work in healthcare). We have to do all sorts of goofy shit because of government. On top of that, competition is stifled by things like Certificate of Need laws that prevent competitors from coming into a given region. This leads to very few providers being able to essentially do whatever they want. And insurance (financial industry, the most regulated) is pretty well controlled by government to the point that we can't really innovate there either.

Well regulated doesn't mean public. It's the owner that counts...

So as i understand you are in USA and you work in healthcare. Tell us more please of how the system works or should work. For example i heard a story with one person having an accident and a finger cut. In the hospital they needed a significant amount of money, 5000$ or so to fix it. That person didn't have the money so they didn't fix it. They assured me that such barbaric stories are true in USA. Is it?

Owning something that is controlled by someone else is hardly ownership at all.

Ok then, tell the owners of the clinics etc to transfer their properties to me if they think they don't own them.

You are talking nonsense again

Healthcare is controlled by government at practically every point in the US. Government controls licensing too. It's impossible to have truly private healthcare in the US. Mostly because the bulk of the income comes from government spending (theft) and the inability of innovators to meaningfully compete.

You said it better than i could have.

Government shouldn't be involved in healthcare at all. Markets will handle it.

Markets will handle healthcare? We couldn't disagree more...

But anyway if you have a successful example, i'll take it...

You're still operating in a fiat mindset. That will shift certainly over time as you're on this platform more. These conversations will be had in how Bitcoin will end up affecting this industry in the long term.

If bitcoin doesn't start being used for everyday transactions, it will never affect many things. Right now fiat currencies rule and i know quite a few economics.

Wrong mindset.

Maybe, but what is wrong with it? There has to be an argument...

Nostr is built on the same principles as Bitcoin. Freedom tech. Sound money. If you don't understand it I would start looking into it as it's pretty much the biggest topic around here.

The Bitcoin Standard by Saifedean Ammous

Broken Money by Lyn Alden

Those are great books to start. They'll start to show you why Bitcoin is the answer to the terrible money we are currently using.

For me nostr is a decentralised protocol for communications. It's not like bitcoin.

I am aware of the books you mentioned and it is true that i didn't read them so far. I will, i hope soon, start to read Lyn Alden's book. So that's a fair point. I don't think that i will be convinced that bitcoin is the answer to fiat money though. For me bitcoin is an asset with value, as long as there are people who believe it has value, but... I think that if it doesn't start to be used for everyday transactions, it will deflate at some point after the last halving and with a big chance to deflate till zero. If it does start being used for everyday transactions, it will need regulation at some point just like the fiat money need, and since there is not such authority... It will deflate, with a big chance to deflate till zero...

Bitcoin is a decentralized money, which is a form of communication.

You should definitely look into the "What is Money" Podcast. You'll learn a lot.

I have already a mooc from university of nicosia about bitcoin my friend.

You say i'll learn a lot. Fine... Maybe i'll learn a lot. Maybe nothing. Maybe others will learn a lot from me. So, it would be good if there were arguments to what you say. Why, for example, do you say i would learn a lot, like you have the wisdom? Give me an example or something on what you disagree. You have read the books you mentioned , you have heard the podcast, according to you you have learned a lot, at least something. So far i don't see real arguments. The only arguement so far was that healthcare in USA is not private, despite the fact that everything is owned by the private sector, because there are regulations from the state, which is complete nonsense. Sorry if i don't sound polite on this, but i can't find other words to describe it.

I've suspected for some time that you're a bot account but now you've confirmed it. It looks to me like you're attempting to monopolize my attention with an overly complicated discussion that ultimately won't go anywhere so I'll be disengaging from you and blocking your account.

No arguments, false accusations. Classic.

The bot thing was funny though...

Laeserin 1y ago

He's not a bot. He's just European.

So he's just exhausting to deal with. Got it.

Your counter argument to mine is semantics and to call it nonsense. Government regulatory control to the degree finance and healthcare are controlled in the US effectively removes the benefits of private systems. To call it technically private does not negate that fact. Your points are weak and no one cares about your mooc from University of Nicosia. Markets and reality trump your appeal to authority.

You can argue that regulatory control by the state removes some benefit of private systems. That's an argument finally. Can you give us an example please?

I don't care either if you don't care about the mooc. I was answering on someone else.

Regulations are a reality too. And you will live with them.

Your points are more than weak. They are nonsense. You have only one argument so far, without explaining it.

Ricemoon 1y ago

I live in a country where there was a government so split that nothing was done anymore, with the result that big investors left the country and there was a big downturn in the economy. There is this downside of your approach.