I am serious, this is a very interesting debate. I like this path much more than the other one. #[4] You have very good ideas, I think we should go down this road towards something that describes feelings as accurately as possible. No money, that to me is a far cry from sincere support.
I just don't understand why we want to kill the quickest and easiest way to send a wink (support, ping, call it what you will) to someone.
Yeah, I was looking at it from the introvert perspective last night (which I am, just good at hiding it most days). The like is a silent reminder that you’re there, listening. Forcing the repost is not always appropriate. I just hope that people will understand that they are missing out by not engaging more with the notes. (And that renotes display will be changed)
Introvert here too 😅 Following these conversations with much interest as I come across them. I don’t mind sending/receiving “reactions” but I am trying the Onlyzaps mode for now because it’s new. Even before this feature I often reply with just 1 or 2 emojis a that express more than a like. We see that all over Nostr with 🫂. That’s even how 🤙 became the default reaction on Damus. It started as a popular reply. The absence of a reaction button doesn’t take away that option, and I’m more likely to look at who replied than who reacted.
On the earlier point by Quentin about it being a red line when my settings affect other user’s experience or ability to interact with me, I see it directly. For instance, if I don’t want to receive zaps and I don’t add a lightning address, then I am deciding for all other users that they won’t see a ⚡️ button at all on my posts or profile, and that they can’t zap me. A zap is a Nostr event just like a reaction. Why is it OK for me to limit everyone’s ability to send me a kind-9735 event if I don’t want to receive it, but not a kind-7 event? Or what if future features allow turning off replies on a post, or limiting them to just followers? Turning off DMs?
In each case these would affect how everyone can interact with me, and I think that is the better way to approach it. It puts me in control of setting the boundaries I want on what other people can send me. Forcing me to accept likes/reactions from anyone and everyone on Nostr, sounds far more intrusive than me having the option to not receive them.
Again, I’m not a “never-liker” 😅 and after this experiment may turn them back on, but I do think the way it’s currently implemented puts the right person in control.
Very good point of view. The analogy with the LN address is a good one, but I don't think it can be compared, if I don't have a LN address it's clear that you won't be able to send me sats. But this is as if (in real life) you directly reject any interaction with someone who has no money or way to talk to you directly. Where will that wink, smile, look be, translated to the virtual environment? The like button can evolve, but I don't see anything clear about removing it.
It gives me the feeling that it is an attempt to promote the zaps, to move money. With my friends I love to apply value for value, I help them with a website, they help me with something else. Putting money in the middle usually spoils everything.
What a great conversation, I love it!
I don’t think it is removing option from the user to interact. I think it is very one sided view. If someone posts sad news about something, how do you interpret like! It is extremely limited and easy to misunderstand option that was invented for the sake of algorithms. It has no value. Reply with like, plus one, heart, 🤙🏻, whatever. Still better than the meaningless like, IMHO. And yes, that’s the hill I am choosing to die on. 🐶🐾🫡
I’ll push just a little because it doesn’t remove the ability for anyone to talk to me directly. There are comments for that. And regarding the point about adding or not adding the lightning address, I was simply giving that as an example of a setting I can enable now that affects how everyone can interact with me, but nobody has complained about that as infringing on their experience. Some people really do want to send sats, and I’ve seen several times when users ask someone why they don’t have a lightning address.
I am in agreement with you that not every human interaction needs to have a monetary component. The challenge I find with likes is that whatever meaning they have, and I believe they can be meaningful, has been sullied by years of vanity use and spam on other social networks. “Doing it for the likes.” Experimenting with changes to that is worthwhile.
And yes excellent conversation. I’m enjoying hearing various perspectives on this. Now here’s a nickel for your time 😂 💜🫂
The underlying problem is that we start from years of vain shit-influencers, so the trend is to kill the like. But I think that the like is a light and quick way to express a feeling (here there is a debate on the forms, for example habla.news does solve it very well), we are going to fill the conversations of comments with a 🤙, this for me is going backwards.
Your turn 😀
I imagine fewer people would comment than would click “like” but I see what you mean shout it potentially cluttering replies if they did. We’re actually more in agreement on this than not. I believe likes are a useful way of communicating something sometimes. Where I think we disagree is on who should have control. What I hear you saying is that I should not be able to affect your ability to send me a reaction. I disagree with that. I should have that control. And giving you the option to send it while I simply don’t see it negates their use as a communication tool. At that point it is only to make you feel better for having pressed a button.
It's not a question of feeling better, those who don't have this option activated will also see it, it serves to see what you have liked over time (yourself) and in the other hand you are questioning how the current mute option works, it just works the way I would like the (misnamed) onlyzaps to work.
Don’t mess with introverts when they decide to speak 🫂💜
I’m a talkative introvert (talking once I feel comfortable enough is my way of fighting the urge to retreat inside, so hard to make me shut up once I start and if I shut up for too long, I’m gone, getting lost inside my head while listening. )
I got a super introvert friend, the kind of pleb that you want to cheer when he gets talkative. But you always want to listen when he speaks, not because he is always right, but because you know that he has listened and considered before taking.
Anyway, thank you for attending my psychoanalysis session.
Regarding Onlyzaps
The beauty of Nostr is that if there is a NIP it can be implemented. Relays can decide to support the NIPs they want, Clients can support (or give option to users to enable or disable) the NIPs they wish, plebs can chose their relays and their clients.
I could argue that it’s unfair that Damus does not support long form notes. That my deepest thoughts go unnoticed by most of my network. I could if I wanted to play devils advocate and stir shit up.
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It’s unfair that NIP23 is not supported by Damus! Couldn’t we at least have the summary and a way to quickly go to full version (maybe giving option in app settings to redirect to a web client for now)
All good points again, fren. As for the support of NIP-xyz, there is always option to contribute to the project via code. If you can’t, find friends who can, or post a bounty. People who develop products have their priorities and no obligations to the user if it’s free. Making new features is hard, maintaining them is even more so! Every line of code added sucks resources and time from the developers! 🐶🐾🫡
Absolutely know that, I am in no way or shape asking for features to be implemented (bugs being fixed however…)
Just a way to present the “likes must stay for everyone, everywhere, forever” argument differently.
Ok, makes sense! 🐶🐾🫂
Should have added a lil sarcastic signature at the end, sorry.
🐶🐾😂🤣🫂
I usually do something to contradict myself in those events, forgot
Sorry I communicate in weird ways sometimes, even for myself then I think about it for days “did I really say: you have the beard of someone who drinks a lot beer…. To someone I had just met… 😳 did I? Yup I did. 🤣
Socializing, tough business to some of us 🤣
*I see it differently … not directly
Mainvolume be like lay off the drugs man when you see me.
#eof
