I had the same feeling.
China is a world on its own.
Very weird, enigmatic, profound and definitely fascinating.
It's very difficult to understand its millenary complexity.
Chinese, Persians, Indians and Jewish people have one astonishing thing in common: they are the only four 'nations/cultures/civilizations' old enough to remember the very dawn of history and being still here around today.
No one else can really say that.
We can also of course... 😋
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I see lot of heritage from the classic age, but not a historical - cultural continuum from Ancient Greece to modern Greece. Same for us in Italy. Too many water has flown under the bridges since then.
Approximately
Today Greece -> Orthodox + Mediterranean + Western (read US) Civilization
Today Italy -> Catholic + Mediterranean + Western (read US) Civ.
Or am I wrong?
Swap Jews with Assyrians and you'd be historically correct.
Abraham left Mesopotamia towards the end of the empire, Alexander The Great was still alive at that time, so Mycenaean Greeks were also prominent.
it's really only the Chinese and Indians that are 6k years old in terms of written history, however this changes over time. Sri Lanka is referred to in the Bagvagita as well, which is why Tamil is the oldest language still spoken today.
And then there's Egypt....
If you'd rank them, it's Egypt then India then China, then the rest.
Egypt is so ancient, that the ancient Egypt(6000 years old) refers to the old days in writing... Pre dynastic Egypt is Jesus's time, dynastic is when you had Pharoahs...
Egypt is probably the longest lineage of Human history anywhere in the world
Lol Jews only arrived on the scene AFTER Ishmael was born, and Sarah gave birth at 90.. to Issac, so yeah they aren't that old at all.
Sumerians, Mesopotamia etc. (modern day Iraq) all existed prior to a single Jew ever existing.
Abraham left to colonise Canaan, who at the time already housed the Filastines, who are the decendants of the sea people after they were defeated by the Egyptians in the Nile Delta.
In fact, the Sea People's brought about the collapse of the Bronze Age, and by then Abraham was still a pipe dream.
... you missed the 'still around here' part of my post. 😜
Those you mentioned were great and super-ancient civilizations/cultures (love them) but have been buried by the sands of history long time ago.
Saying that an Egyptian today belongs to the same civ. of Ancient Egyptians is like saying that given that I'm Italian, I'm an heir of the Roman Empire. No way. Not even his/my genes has/have a lot of Egyptian/Roman roots.
Ancient Egypt lasted as its own distinct civ/culture until the late paleochristian era at most, but already then it was already mainly eaten by the ellenestic/roman civ. Arabs did the rest.
On the contrary there is no complete interruption in the cultural continuity of judaism until today. Love them or hate them, it's a historical fact. That said, we could dispute whether Ashkenazi Jews were Khazarians or direct descendants of the 12 tribes..😬
Oh I see what you mean, but then in that case Ishmael's decendants would be older?
Ethiopian and Sudanese too.
Jews are still quite young in terms of Isaacs lineage.
i always had the idea that the Khazarians were part of the 2 tribes that were either cast out or absorbed. It was 14 tribes, that became 12 due to them being cast out due to backwards rituals like human sacrifice and other weird shit
First part.
Interesting pov, if we hold the tannakh/Old Testament sources as historically/demographically 'truish', you are probably right.
Second part.
From what i know, Khazarians were converted to judaism much much later on by unidentified semitic jewish merchants/migrants coming from the caucasus. Until then they were a nomadic/tribal turkish animistic people from central asian steppes settled among eastern ukraine, the north caucasus and the caspian region.
this conversion occurred in the early middle ages.
