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Damn, looks like your wallet automatically sent an on chain transaction to make the lightning payment.

Probably means you are using a non-custodial wallet, which in one way is great, but it comes with this trade off sometimes. Although outgoing payments are typically not the ones that run into this, and this might be more indicative of a bad policy in the wallet.

Can you share which wallet you used for this payment?

AlchemistUSN 2y ago

I used Muun. I funded it On-chain, then just followed the prompts after tapping the Zap icon.

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Guy Swann 2y ago

Damn, yeah sounds like something odd with Muun lightning routing. They couldn't find a path, even though it should be very easy after they open the channel to you in the background.

Sorry about that. Muun has had a lot of issues in that regard. For non-custodial I've moved to Phoenix recently and I use Wallet of Satoshi or getalby.com for a quick LN Address (custodial) to receive zaps, then I withdraw to Phoenix after its like 50k sats or more. Their LSP (Phoenix) has had much better operation than Muun, imo.

Sorry this was your first experience, that's a crappy thing to have to find out on your first use 😅

If you check out one of the two options above though, then add your address (say AlchemistUSN@getalby.com or whatever) to your profile and I'll zap to cover the various fees for your learning experience 😁

dwhite 2y ago

>then I withdraw to Phoenix after its like 50k sats or more

I agree that self-custody is important, but this type of risk management is really all it takes to prevent a disaster.

Having sats in a custodial wallet is the equivalent of walking around with dollar bills. A risk that most people are willing to take, but only to a certain extent.

Keep the amount low, and withdraw if you expect that you won't be sending more any time soon.