Tbh, can’t understand this position (which a lot of people stick too though)

- i want as secure chat as possible for family/friends communications

- i don’t want to find a developer who I pay $2000 max and $10 month for

hosting to implement secure chat hosted on your personal hardware + software (which will do the thing but of course miss some top-notch UX patterns)

- so I will wait until people come up with a super-duper difficult, untested, not mature but mainstream alternative to this problem and use it for free

Technologies are already there to solve this problem pretty cheap of one really want to solve it and not get on the hype train

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I don't really understand what you're saying here. I simply don't want 8 different chat apps. If I can get my family/friends to move to something I believe in, then I might be able to delete five or so messaging apps. 🤷‍♀️

I'm where I'm at, learning as I go. 🫶

Simply put, there is no demand for secure communications, thats it.

And it seems to me its more harm when different people (devs and users) spread illusions its not true

Bad take. The thing is, who's your adversary and what can you do about it.