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“Societies built upon these principles have turned out to be a failure except for the elite.”

I’d be very curious to hear which societies you think were built on the principles of liberty and free trade that were total failures run by the elite. Then of course the ones run by central government and controlled markets that were the comparable successes. 🤔
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verbiricha 5mo ago

I never proposed controlled markets and centralized government. In fact I think the combination of laissez-faire capitalism, direct democracy and a strong social safety net is the best system we've created so far. See Denmark, Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands or Switzerland.

Countries like the US put the focus on laissez-faire capitalism and offer a very thin social safety net that leaves the less able or lucky behind and is ran by oligarchs and corporations.

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ede3d957... 5mo ago

I guess you've never been to these countries, romanticising what you read, maybe a little bit better than the place you currently live.

Many European states turned outright autorcatic during the last years. Including the ones mentioned.

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verbiricha 5mo ago

I visited them all and lived in one of them for a year.

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ede3d957... 5mo ago

Which makes me ask you for a more balanced take?

What are observable pros and cons within the current state logic compared to the pros and cons of a stateless model, one based on aggression (ancient) and the other based on non-aggression (potential).