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What desktop lightning wallets are there for windows beside #alby? Something I can use to log into nostr that's storing my nsec?

Note that I only use a dumbphone, so I have no use for all these apps unless I can put them on my computer desktop for windows.

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Dikaios1517 1y ago

There's no such thing as a desktop Lightning wallet app that I am aware of. Even nostr:nprofile1qqsyv47lazt9h6ycp2fsw270khje5egjgsrdkrupjg27u796g7f5k0spzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcprdmhxue69uhkummnw3ez6vfwde3x7tnpdenkzmnf9e3k75xqss4 Wallet is a browser extension, not a separate app. It's also the only Lightning wallet I know of for desktop that integrates a #Nostr signer.

Now, there are other wallets you can use on desktop. For instance nostr:nprofile1qqst4qyeqenw7zm0fwjsty68h6cnys5jre2xd8ngqpjv5a2j26s78fspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm0d9hx7uewd9hj75a0pev is a good web based custodial Lightning wallet. No browser extension or Nostr signer integration, though.

Check out nos2x or nos2x Fox for Nostr signer extensions other than Alby. Also nsec.app.

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bumi 1y ago

Alby Hub run on Windows.

Desktop apps have the downside that they are not always online but depending on the use case it is good.

Dikaios1517 1y ago

Fair point. Not sure OP is looking for a self-custody node rather than custodial wallet, though.

Barkskin 1y ago

My technical language is a bit messy, sorry, i ment extension for windows. I use the alby atm. Thank you for giving some options.. Coinos looks interesting and so do the nostr signers. I would be able to combine the wallet and nostr signer i'm guess.

nostr:npub1xv8mzscll8vvy5rsdw7dcqtd2j268a6yupr6gzqh86f2ulhy9kkqmclk3x

I just downloaded the alby hub, got surprised with a 20k sat payment to open the channel. Is this a one time thing as long as I use this computer I have? Or can i log into it via other devices onto my alby hub?

It does work a bit weird because i can't copy/past my password into the desktop app and needed to typ in manually that one time verifying code(don't have the name right) to activate the alby hub. Do i have to write the password it every time? Or is this hub/password only stuck to this device?)

I'm not used to apps, hear people talk about them, but i am somewhat oldschool dumb internetter.

🙏

Dikaios1517 1y ago

So, Alby is the only extension I am aware of that combines a wallet and Nostr signer into a single extension. Coinos' wallet would not combine into a single extension with nos2x signer, for instance.

As for using Alby Hub, if you downloaded it on Windows, you are effectively running a Lightning Node on your PC, which means you must keep that PC always online, especially if you want to connect to it from other devices.

Without seeing exactly what the fee was for, it is hard for me to determine whether it would be a repeat payment or one-time-only. There is always going to be an on-chain fee to open a Lightning channel, and one to close it. However, when you buy channels in Alby Hub, there can also be a monthly fee, since you are asking the liquidity provider to lock up their own funds into a channel with you. Not sure which of these categories the 20k sats you were going to be charged is falling into. nostr:npub1xv8mzscll8vvy5rsdw7dcqtd2j268a6yupr6gzqh86f2ulhy9kkqmclk3x or others from nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm may be able to shed some light on that for you.

If you plan to go the self-custody Lightning route using Alby Hub. It is probably a good idea to learn about running a Lightning node, how to choose good channel partners, and how to manage your inbound and outbound liquidity. If all of this is sounding foreign to you, and you just want a wallet for zapping a few sats now and then, I highly recommend sticking with Coinos for now.

Alby 1y ago

Hey, channel opening is a one time fee, and that goes to onchain fees and (in certain cases) to your channel partner.

There is a monthly fee only for Alby Cloud, if you decide to outsource running and maintaining Alby Hub to us.

If you run it on your computer, it is completely free

bumi 1y ago

The payment is for the channel which is with one of the LSPs. It is a one time payment as long as the channel is open and if everything works fine the channel stays open.

As to the password we should check why you can not copy it in. to start the hub or to login you have to enter it.

Barkskin 1y ago

And if the LSP suddenly closes (how i think it work) the sats in my LN wallet get send to my cold wallet, if i added it, or else they are gone? And if the onchain tx fees are high that could mean not much is left..?

With the hub app 'pw fill-in area', also if i fill something in there and try to copy it hitting right mouse no options show up to copy/paste.

I could either get used to it, fill in the pw manually every time, or maybe make it shorter(less strong) because this app with pw are only on this device i use? So it's not that someone could hack it and use it on their device, unless they have this physical device with app?

Roland 1y ago

The LSPs we work with aim to keep channels open indefinitely as long as you use it and keep your node online.

If a channel is closed, the funds on your side of the channel will go to your onchain balance.

Barkskin 1y ago

So what i understand now is that I need to run a node by myself -which is still foreign to me- to do it.

I like to close everything off when i leave the home and shut off internet when sleeping, so chance is I need to do that 'one time payment' again and again?

Meaning this is not the way for me and better I do a subscription way or find how to use something like nostr:npub1h2qfjpnxau9k7ja9qkf50043xfpfy8j5v60xsqryef64y44puwnq28w8ch ?

bumi 1y ago

you can easily run it in the cloud.

The channel costs only apply once per channel. Imagine it as a setup fee for the connection.

With Coinos you outsource everything and put your sats in there control.

Barkskin 1y ago

Clouds.. 😶‍🌫️ 🧐 So once i paid I am running a node in the cloud? No other installing etc.. to do? I'm still way to far away to understand - if ever...- things like github.

I would only need one channel right? (I'm not planning to open a store)

And to outsource everything... is that that bad? It's not my sayings i put on it but more like the cash i keep in my pocket right. Sucks if i loose it of course. The company that offers services linke LN wants to be trustworthy to be able to survive long run..

Alby 1y ago

Once you pay, we maintain your node in our cloud, to which only you have access and keys.

One channel is enough, but it's recommended to have 2+ to good LSPs for redundancy

Barkskin 1y ago

Thanks. I'll let all this chat span over a week or so sink in. If i go this way i need to be online to receive sats/zaps?

Alby 1y ago

Yes, lightning node has to be online at the moment of sending and receiving