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Unless they go the great firewall of china route this simply won’t work. Also hoping that Elon tells them to GFY.
I mean, I don't think kids should be online... Just because you can't stop it doesn't mean we shouldn't make laws to prevent it. I approve of this law. Parents shouldn't allow them online either.
Should outlaw porn under 18 too. You can't stop murder by making a law either but we should still obviously have that law. It's a recognition of a culture of what's right and wrong. Unfettered access to Internet for teens is wrong. You're free to disagree, but studies show otherwise.
“Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws that cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase in crime in this country is closely connected with this.”
- Albert Einstein.
AE was talking about alcohol prohibition, which has a far greater body of evidence of harm.
There are many choices we make that can result in harm. They are no business of the community unless they result in harm to others.
I actually support your policy prescriptions there, but purely from an accelerationist and tactical viewpoint
While I do see the logic, assuming that Australia now is going to be like the US of 100 years ago may be a mistake. In South Africa, they banned/ unbanned alcohol during covid in multiple waves and it resulted in large reductions in murders as opposed to the US where organised crime created a bloodbath. Of course, it can be argued that this is an even more different population, but I believe that Australia with a median age of 38 will fall into line much more than the USA with a median age of 25.3 in 1920 did.
I think you're right about majority compliance here, but the majority of Americans complied during Prohibition. And overwhelming majority at first.
A minority were very committed to their activities, and the State delegating governance to organised crime caused many problems.
Happly Nostr, Fediverse, Tor and I2P already exist and are less evil than the Purple Gang.
Curious about South Africa's Prohibition experience there, but I think separating causality from correlation might be hard (a lot of other changes occurred during lockdowns), as would predicting outcomes if the policy were extended.
Alcohol consumption soared in Australia during COVID lockdowns, but murders and domestic violence cratered. Many tears were shed in private by experts seeking budget...
No law can always be enforced. Again... We have thousands of murders every year. We cannot live in a land of lawlessness. There is no liberty without order.
I am firmly of the opinion that any wrong that cannot be expressed as a Common Law Tort simply shouldn't be actionable.
Prove harm, duty of care and intent, or go home.
This is an extreme example of a victimless "crime" constructed for public virtue-signalling and private partisan "discretion".
There is a plethora of evidence for how social media and porn affects children. They are the victim.
And alcohol?
Last I checked, we still have a legal drinking age... Adults are free to do what they want. Children should be legislated. For the record, the drinking and smoking age should be lowered to 18 imo.
When I turned 16 years they changed the smoking age to 18 lol
I think at 18 you should be legally able to do whatever you want. Businesses should still be free to do business how they see for as well. So a car rental is still free to not allow anyone under 25 to rent for instance. 21 drinking and smoking age is ludicrous.
I totally agree
So what do you say to the studies that say the frontal lobe isn't fully developed until mid 20s? Why arbitrarily make the cut off age 18?
Because at some point individuals must take full ownership of their actions. We shouldn't be waiting until a quarter of our life has gone by to do that. Also, you can serve in military at 18 fwiw. I wouldn't argue with dropping it to 16 either. Age of consent and all other"adult" activities should be the same. We keep raising it and as a result we have a bunch of reckless irresponsible young adults running around who think they are entitled to everything and take no responsibility for their actions when our forefathers at the same age were getting married and starting their families...
I think an argument could be made that young adults (and teens) have always run around being entitled and taking little to no responsibility for their actions, it's just the consequences for doing so now are substantially lessened.
Shot gun weddings were a thing for a very very long time and are the epitome of not considering future consequences.
I don't think forefathers are good examples to draw from if not only because many of their more negative qualities were filtered through lenses of historical idolatry but they were also a bunch of rich kids compared to the rest of society.
I'm not really arguing one way or another but it's an interesting topic of discussion.
won't work/
Yea, outlawing murder doesn't work either. Guess we should just get rid of all the laws.
we need a transformation/locally grown, grass roots styled to communities on a smaller scale that has worked for centuries maybe idk what do U think is the fix young dad? do U trust your leaders?
I only trust my God.
I don’t necessarily disagree but there have been attempts to make laws censoring access to online porn for under 18s since the mid to late 90s. It is probably easier to access and more prevalent now so those laws haven’t been successful. (The EFA has a lot of historical info on the various censorship attempts here in Australia https://efa.org.au/censorship/)
The harm from social media access isn’t as clear cut either. I think social media, if used carefully, can provide benefits for some children for example if they are living in isolated areas, and there is some good educational content too. I personally feel it should be left to the parents to make decisions on what is best for their kids.
Because there is no enforcement or harsh penalties for breaking said laws. Change the punishment to the death penalty and enforce it a few times and tell me it won't change. I'm not saying do that btw, but the extreme is just to exemplify the point.
Why do we have KYC for basically any economic activity but no KYC for porn? Just one example. An "Are you over 18?" button aint gunna cut it.
I don't really have a problem with children not being allowed on social media, but really this law is going to affect people of all ages, which seems like the main purpose.
I assume the original post's celebratory tone is more about adults joining nostr. I really don't think children should be here tbh.
I know that's not very libertarian of me, but luckily for me I'm not a libertarian ;)
It should be purely a parental responsibility to decide when kids are allowed on social media and not something for the government to decide.
They are at least claiming that government issued ID (including digital ID) won’t be mandatory and that platforms must offer alternative methods to verify age. It remains to be seen how this will actually be implemented though. They also say there will be no penalties for parents or children so it is basically ok to ignore it and work around the age verification measures.
Parents cannot be trusted to raise their children, that is now the government’s job.
They’ll manage it as well as they manage everything else - like giving us a housing crisis in one of the most sparsely populated countries on the planet where no-one can afford anything..
A law like this isn't for parents, it's for social media companies. They want to make them lible in instances where their platform facilitates bullying/harassment/etc. That's why there's not penalties for children or parents.
It also sets a cultural precedent to dissuade parents from letting their children use social media. I don't have children so I can't speak from experience but having been a teenager myself on the burgeoning days of social media I would have been fairly annoyed with my parents if they said I couldn't use myspace lol.
Not saying I necessarily agree with it. This isn't a topic I'm well versed in since it doesn't directly affect me specifically, so it's hard to have stake in it.
