Yes but referring to this one specifically.
It said “All you need is name. No e-mail address…” which is a little misleading and would be problematic for a new user.
It’s a good proof of concept client though and it’s great to see more test clients!
I red that and was actually curious to see what mechanism they came up with to only need a name.
You don’t need an email so how is it misleading?
I agree that it’s a strange concept for people.
Even a notice to back up keys won’t be newbie-proof.
Nostr requires education or abstraction to traditional signup methods.
The misleading part to me is not that you don’t need an email, it’s that it only needs a name. I understand the email thing. You do need more than a name. You need a name and an nsec and a npub from what I can tell. Just because it doesn’t to tell the user about it doesn’t mean it didn’t need it.
Technically you don't need anything. You're not even logging in in a traditional sense. This is not a concept anyone is going to understand right away unless they have a vague idea of cryptography.
The client can show a message to save their keys, and in the process explain what the keys are and how they work, but even then it's not guaranteed that anyone is going to read any of it.
I don't think this is a big deal. Unless a user is keen on sticking around, losing a key is not a big deal, they can just spin up a new one.
The key ingredient in everything is motivation. If the user is not motivated, they will leave, lose keys, whatever, and that's fine, they weren't going to stick around anyway.
If they are motivated, they can learn - either through onboarding or after onboarding. And even then, losing a key once is no big deal, most of us have done that and we're just fine. This is not my first npub and I'm not losing sleep over the one I lost.
I’m sorry but I completely disagree.
Are you sure we’re talking about the same thing?
I’m referring to the apps “create account” option, not “see timeline”.
If so, I don’t think we could disagree more on what would provide value for the average person interested in hopping ship from the others.
I think many people who do stuff like this related to their job don’t see some of these issues and it can be a bit baffling to me.
“And even then loosing a key once is no big deal”
I would quit Nostr if I lost my key. There’s no way I’m going through setting it all up again, even if there are tools to re-import. I’ve never once had to walk through explaining a new account to my friends and family and I certainly wouldn’t do it if I won’t through the trouble of convincing them to give Nostr a try (none have stayed more than a day).
You're telling me as a new user, having NEVER used nostr, and trying it for the first time, then leaving, you would NOT create another account because you lost your key the first time you tried and DISMISSED nostr?
Umm.. again. That goes back to motivation. If the person is motivated, they will act. If they are not, they won't, they'll be lazy and do something else.
Nostr at face value does not provide anything spectacularly better than traditional social media, in fact the experience is far worse. You have to really care to see what this protocol is about to give it your time. We see this evident in the rate at which people try nostr and leave.
Obviously, we are all edging towards better experiences for people to keep them around once they sign up. The signup process is ridiculously easy right now. Even in my user tests people were surprised at how easy it was to sign up. This is because they did not save the keys, nor understood the importance of them. No amount of messaging would change it for them because they were not motivated. PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE, DON'T READ. This is a fact. I can send you test after test to show you that people don't read anything you show them.
I am not sure what you are proposing anyway. What would you like to see happen? We can test anything and that is what we are doing. If the testing phase of nostr turns people off, then by all means come back later when the UX is straightened out, but right now we are in the phase of figuring out what works without giving people the false idea that they can use email / password (until / unless it becomes a reality).
The beautiful part about nostr is that we can test multiple things at once. We can test a lot of education in onboarding, and minimal education (defer for later). Once again I will point out that the results of these tests WILL DEPEND ON MOTIVATION LEVELs.
When we all came here in December of last year or thereabouts, we were highly motivated and already familiar with key pairs. This made it easier for us to stick around. Someone following another influencer will also be more motivated. Someone who values censorship-resistance will be motivated. Someone who is an early adopter and sticks around despite issues will be more motivated. We will do our best to help ALL newcomers, and tests + data will point us in the right direction over time. Right now it's your opinion vs. someone else's and we don't have the data to understand what is more clear to people.
I've already proposed using familiar terminology for login even though it's inaccurate to use it and will create additional confusion.
Ultimately, I don't know what will work best yet. This is part of testing things out to see what resonates the most. If you believe you have THE answer, but all means, put it forward and convince a client to try it. I just think you won't see the same results as you imagine.
