The point was to point out that his statement was false for implying that it was Platoās distinction. In my opinion thatās a false attribution to Plato.
Do you like Plato? The founder of ideology?
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Alright. So, who made the distinction?
Also, no, I don't like Plato, but I try to be accurate wherever I can.
I am pretty sure Zoroastrianism is a few centuries older than Plato, and Hinduism predates written history. Many political ideologies predate him as well.
I saw it attributed to Pythagoras but who knows, itās def not Plato.
Even given the older systems, which I donāt think count as ideologies in the sense Iām using it but itās a fair label, Plato created something original by linking the methods of āreasonā to the concept of utopia. That is he turned knowledge into method (ideology) that is predestined to end in utopia. And I think his Republic kind of stands alone in that era and before for the originality and strength of that link.
What he lays out in the Republic is an elite driven pyramidal hierarchy (aka meritocracy) that adheres to strict methods of āreasonā, and we can see this in his Philospher King elitism that later Platonists of the left and right pick up and still push forward.
His original model is in fact the same model pushed on us by elites today, corporatist fascism. Power and decision making belong in the hands of those groups that have been indoctrinated with the right methods and the individual becomes nothing but an integrated function at best.
Another word for this philosopher king elitism is the vanguardism clearly seen in the Marxist communist ideology.
I disagree with very little here. It seems mostly accurate from what I have read.
I guess I will disagree on the definition of ideology mostly and use the common standard one, which is why I disagree on Plato as founder of ideology. I would like a source on the earlier distinction as the earliest I am aware of is Plato's symposium.
If you refer to Corporatist political philosophy, then yes, he is most definitely the creator (or could it be Socrates again?)
It does appear like Western elites are pushing a transhuman variant of Fascism.
Defining ideology could be a whole series of books lol I personally prefer to define ideology as method, and given just that definition you are right that Plato wouldnāt be the founder, but knowledge and reason as method towards utopia is all Plato and a new formation of ideology.
So, when he talks about love of knowledge, I think he really meant method and not knowledge itself.
Socrates, as read through Plato, could be claimed as the founder I guess but I think he asked too many questions to be called an ideologue and a slave to method and I donāt trust Platoās filtering of Socrates.
Iāll try and find a source, could easily be Plato and Iām just a hater. I canāt find the link I saw that said Pythagoras said it.