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In the end it’s a key that you use to unlock the SE.

All the SEs used right now by HWWs could be changed next day to accept letters and symbols and hundreds of characters.

What I am noticing is you trying to shift away from the root question of the post: What benefit does a passphrase entry on the HWW have compared to a longer PIN in terms of threat model?

JackTheMimic 2mo ago

I explained that. The passphrase can be longer, more complex, and actually changes the key.

A PIN is generally more truncated, only numeric, and doesn't change the key.

Humans generally have a better memory for language over numbers.

Both are entered as frequently, both can be obscured and backed up safely, and both can be coerced with a threat of violence. Having a duress wallet in either case is ineffective but much simpler to maintain in the passphrase instance as you can just NOT enter the passphrase to make duress transactions where as you would have to manually remove the passphrase in your scenario.

Again, I disagree with your assessment of Passphrase entry and HWW manufacturer incentives.

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semisol 2mo ago

How does changing the key matter, if you cannot get the key out of the SE in the first place? If I have 2 doors and I don’t have the key for the outer door, the key for the inner door is useless.

And as I said, it does not have to be short, it does not have to be numeric, and it could work.

If you disagree with my assessment of how SEs work and what the incentives are for the HWW market, as someone that is working on HWWs and secure elements, you can and I can’t stop you really.

Many flat earthers also disagree with people that have gone deeper into this than they have.

JackTheMimic 2mo ago

Aight, thanks for the Ad Hominem. Also, you don't know who I am or what I work on.

semisol 2mo ago

the only thing I said is what position my perspective is from, but sure.

JackTheMimic 2mo ago

You are comparing me to a flatearther because you think your credentials supercede mine.

semisol 2mo ago

Nope, but it matches here perfectly

✅ intentionally misinterpret

✅ ignore provided proof

✅ make baseless claims