In the end it’s a key that you use to unlock the SE.
All the SEs used right now by HWWs could be changed next day to accept letters and symbols and hundreds of characters.
What I am noticing is you trying to shift away from the root question of the post: What benefit does a passphrase entry on the HWW have compared to a longer PIN in terms of threat model?
If you want an example, look no further than Satochip: https://satochip.io
Their cards support any text as a PIN. And the chips in smart cards are almost the exact same as HWW SEs. So all you need is a display.
You can set a passphrase when setting up a seed, and it will be automatically used when you use your full PIN.
Yeah, blind signers have no security holes....
How is that relevant to the conversation? Put the same chip in a signer with a display.
Are we talking DIY devices or manufactured? Please stay consistent.
We are talking about a manufactured device. A manufacturer can put the same chip in a HWW with a display and I think we both know that was what we were talking about.
I explained that. The passphrase can be longer, more complex, and actually changes the key.
A PIN is generally more truncated, only numeric, and doesn't change the key.
Humans generally have a better memory for language over numbers.
Both are entered as frequently, both can be obscured and backed up safely, and both can be coerced with a threat of violence. Having a duress wallet in either case is ineffective but much simpler to maintain in the passphrase instance as you can just NOT enter the passphrase to make duress transactions where as you would have to manually remove the passphrase in your scenario.
Again, I disagree with your assessment of Passphrase entry and HWW manufacturer incentives.
How does changing the key matter, if you cannot get the key out of the SE in the first place? If I have 2 doors and I don’t have the key for the outer door, the key for the inner door is useless.
And as I said, it does not have to be short, it does not have to be numeric, and it could work.
If you disagree with my assessment of how SEs work and what the incentives are for the HWW market, as someone that is working on HWWs and secure elements, you can and I can’t stop you really.
Many flat earthers also disagree with people that have gone deeper into this than they have.
Aight, thanks for the Ad Hominem. Also, you don't know who I am or what I work on.
