Democracy's greatest achievement was tricking millons into believing there is ANY ethical form of involuntary governance.
The second was advancing the idea that a given piece of physical territory is permanently synonymous with the State.
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Democracy is illusions
maybe agorism, dunno
Democracy should be limited to the distance an average person can walk in one day. A vote beyond your own community is always theft. A vote limited to your own community is only usually theft.
As long as its voluntary I don't care how far away people are.
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There will always be someone like me, who doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the vote. The act of voting may be voluntary, but the consequences are never voluntary - if they were, there'd be no need to vote.
if you voluntarily agree to submit to the results of an election that you eventually lose, and then you participate in the vote, I consider that voluntary.
If you _don't_ agree to be involved in the election at all, that's a different story. Involuntary.
The fact that unilateral Exit from a "democratic" governance system is not permitted is the lynchpin. (And this aspect relies on the "territory is synonymous with the State" aspect. If it weren't for this latter part, you'd be able to opt out and stay home on land you legitimately own)
I'd always take that option. My land, my rules ; other dude's land, other dude's rules.
The option to opt out would be nice, but it would result in no democracy at all. People would get sick of losing and stop doing it altogether.
I'm okay with participating in votes with no opt out option if its a vote for my own community, and people outside my community are explicitly excluded. Anything beyond that, I simply don't recognize as legitimate, so if they want me in it, they have persuade me to go along regardless of the vote.
Vinney, could you explain more on the first point, please?
I believe coercing someone into doing something against their will, that they didn't explicitly volunteer for, is wrong/bad/violating of rights/at the very least unlikely to lead to shared flourishing.
Democracy uses a lot of smoke and mirrors to get citizens negatively worked up about even worse forms of governance - fascism, communism, plutocracy, etc. - so much so that they forget the system they are living under is just as coercive and involuntary as any other.
briefly: democracy is just as nonconsenual as all other imposed hierarchies