So basically going all in on filters would practically accomplish nothing except shooting ourselves in the foot.
As long as the transactions are valid, they will find their way into blocks. There will always be a miner who wants the fee, thats the whole structure of its censorship resistance
Your argumentation is a surrender
No, its just logical. If you think fees will go up as they must, that solves most of the spam issue
Maybe core is right, finding a way to stuff arbitrary data into a block will ALWAYS happen.
Might as well do it in a way that doesnt bloat utxo set.
Natural incentives are what make the system work, and I suspect its what fixes this problem also
Tariffs solve spam? Another false argument, shitcoiners have even paid more than 500s/b for spam…
It's logical from your set of assumptions. You're not in view of the whole picture though.
Not necessarily. He simply doesn't understand. And then he surrendered trying to understand further... wait 🤣
I don't think that's true. The spam filters do incentivize things like Slipstream, yes, but Slipstream has a bit of an issue: it is always risking that in a race condition, it could lose, and most likely would lose, all of that work. We could exploit this race condition to make it even more penalizing to miners, perhaps, when they do not respect what the network is telling them. Greater miner decentralization via OCEAN helps, and miners make better margins on OCEAN so there is a strong incentive to use it for any educated miner out there.
They will have to pay the miner directly which will cost 3-5 times more. It has been working for more than a decade now, what's the point on touching it?
Let me open by saying that if it was for me, btc would be used only for money tx and I’d eliminate the spam issue at a consensus level. I don’t like this thing, but I’ve been trying to better understand core ideas behind this.
So, for sake of argument let’s take for granted it’s not possible to change this at consensus level. It seems that spams will always find a workaround, and if miners open private channels to allow these spams, it will be very very difficult in the future to make them change to public channels which are way less harmful (because it’d be too expensive for them to change).
Since atm mining is highly centralized, and it’s impossible to stop spam, it seems the reasoning is to find a way to make ppl spam in the least possible harmful way (and to prevent further mining centralization through direct requests)
I like the idea that we should find a way for the market to deal with this itself, and push spam out cause they’ll be too expensive. I like the idea that the best defense is to be as open as possible and preventing spams at the same time (that way we’d be impenetrable).
On the other hand I don’t like the idea that we are not more vocal about mining centralization which is the fundamental issue here (I mean, if mining was truly decentralized we wouldn’t be taking about all this, right?). I fell like core is saying “atm mining is highly centralized and this is the best way we have to deal with it atm. For now let’s avoid further mining centralization which would be an enormous issue”
Again, I don’t like this whole thing, but I’ve been reading a lot and trying to better get the reasoning behind all this. It’s hard to believe a core move away from btc as money, and if they’d fuck up the monetary aspect of btc it would also harm themselves, I don’t see this as plausible (or maybe I really wanna believe it lol)
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Your answer is ok, but take in consideration that there was no need to touch it. The simple act of touching something that they didn't need to touch which could facilitate more spam is what has raised the alarms in the community.
Also, the condescending attitude.
Like watching another person who claims to be a better drawer, continuously use an eraser on our page till they put a hole in it.
