Design IS the product. When we understand this, thatโ€™s when we can soar. Well, we may need marketing too ๐Ÿ˜œ

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I accept my role ๐Ÿคฃ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŽญ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿ“บ๐Ÿ˜‡๐Ÿ’ซโœจ๐Ÿซถ๐Ÿ’กโ™Ÿ๏ธ1๏ธโƒฃ๐Ÿฆ„๐Ÿชต๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฑ๐Ÿฅโ„น care๐Ÿซข๐Ÿ”‘๐Ÿค”โœ…๐Ÿงข๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ’ญ๐Ÿคช

Then I am out of the job. Design stands on the shoulders of solid foundation and infrastructure. Without it, itโ€™s like putting lipstick on a pig before beauty contest ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Then clearly you donโ€™t understand. ๐Ÿซก

That is probably the case. Looking for more info to help me understand ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซ‚

No worries, you're not the only one. This needs to be said to a broader dev community and probably requires a full post not a note.

Seriously ๐Ÿ˜ณ working โ€ฆ yall need to get organized FFS ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

I understand the conceptual need for a slick interface, because that is what users see and use and spend time on, but I also think that it is not the only thing that matters. Good design can only bring you so far, before the infra collapses ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Yep, I hear you and understand what you mean, but there's much to be said and I don't have the time atm.

Come play!!! Please ๐Ÿ™

I know itโ€™s an oversimplification, but these exchanges often make me wonder about confusions between design and styling. And the strange sense, that can come from that, of the build and design processes of something being somehow in competitionโ€ฆ

In all the design areas Iโ€™ve ever engaged with, whether the outcomes have been visual, spatial, temporal, behaviouralโ€ฆ itโ€™s always really been about what a thing actually is and does, not what it looks like. When designed properly, itโ€™s always going to end up looking like something that is and does that particular thing, in that particular way, even if youโ€™ve never seen one of those things before...

Itโ€™s not that both the engineering and design need to be good, they actually need to be the same thing.

Excellent point! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก๐Ÿซ‚

Thatโ€™s the premise of my future TED talk. Thanks โ˜บ๏ธ

TED? ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ”ฅ

Cโ€™mon doggo. You should know me by know ๐Ÿ˜‚

Now* - throws phone into trash bin ๐Ÿ—‘๏ธ

We havenโ€™t had enough time to get to know each other better. Come over to Tokyo/Yokohama already! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿซ‚

Iโ€™m being facetious 95% of the time

He's not talking about the visual interface

Oh! In that case it is ๐Ÿ’ฏ true and correct! ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

For me, design is satisfying

Agree, it is the product, you can convey your message through the design

In all things?