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I think this conversation dovetails nicely into the situation with transgender women. As "women" in their minds, they see sex like women do, and they think a man could be attracted to them. But a straight man can't, not if he knows she's a biological male. I don't know why, I can only report on the facts. Something about being a straight man is far more absolute than anyone could ever imagine, it is not like how women (including transwomen) or gay men can be bisexual or something. We can't. It would probably be easier if we could be, but we can't.

So effeminate men can either grow up gay or transition into a transwomen. Neither case gives them any real prospect for finding a life partner. Because the effiminate man is not attractive to gay men (who are attracted to masculinity, not femininity) and this strange absolutism of straight men means that as a transwoman they can't land a straight man. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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Wait, what?

What brought transgender into this?

My main point of this is that the majority of males that I know actually enjoy, have or would like to have 2 women together sexually. However these same men wouldn’t consider this as ‘gay’ at all, they consider this just an example of their fantasy and sexual urges.

However, if you ask them what they think about 2 men together sexual, well they get defensive and say it’s downright ‘gay’!

So in essence one sexual group isn’t gay but the other is, even though they are doing the exact same sexual acts.

That’s my point.

Sorry for thread hijacking. I thought it was an interesting related point, related because the answer to your question is that men are sexually absolute, and that property is also responsible for other situations, the transgender one being the example that came to mind.

Thanks for laying out your actual argument and premise for this thread. If a girl has sex with a girl, that is gay.... the girls are gay. If a guy is watching this, since the objects of his desire are both girls, the guy watching this is not at all gay. If I guy watches two men having sex, the watcher is definitely gay because where can he avert his eyes to?

Brunswick 1y ago

There are many double standards between men and women. Most to the benefit of women imo. This one doesn't prove all men are gay. I honestly have turned down three-ways for many reasons, not because i wouldn't have physically enjoyed the act in the moment. It also was my primary reason for exit stage left.

Ľḭṿḙśƫṟãɖãṁṹṧ💫#RunCoreV30 1y ago

I think both men and women enjoy women being together for entertainment

Ava 1y ago

No.

It’s weird how much some straight dudes think about the sex lives of trans people.

When society bangs you over the head about an issue for a decade you think we aren't going to take some time to think it through, maybe read up on what is actually going on? Pffft.

https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/

Who’s banging who over the head? None of it bothers me or affects my life. And my kids are turning out fine too. We’re probably reading different stuff.

Ava 1y ago

Right?! So weird. Just have a look the most searched porn keywords, and we all know the #1 demgraphic is 😉

Nela 1y ago

🥳

m00ninite 1y ago

The kicker is that people want to fight this stupid culture war about whether somebody can call themselves what they want (spoiler: they can), even though it has exactly 0 effect on their life and they've probably never even physically seen a trans person in their life. It's not like it's *that* common.

Yep, that does seem strange if true. However the current trend in media is to constantly push trans issues so it does constantly highlight a very minority issue into something way bigger than necessary. Who’d have thought eh ?! More divisive coverage to further divide people 🤷‍♂️

Or, people could stop persecuting minorities and just let others live their lives without fear and hate.

100% that for sure. That is basic behaviour. Was referring to the obvious agenda to divide which also doesn’t help what you’re suggesting

I don’t agree that there is an “obvious agenda to divide,” more like an obvious prejudice to overcome. There’s too much victim-blaming. (The majority is not the victim.)

Fair enough. I disagree though. Trans issues have been blown out of proportion. It, along with many minority issues, is being used to play people of each other imo. The State doesn’t care, they just want division and distraction to enable their agendas to go through unabated. So much friction right now. Why? Because basic human rights are being scraped behind the scenes to facilitate the ‘Reset’

I agree the media (and by extension social media) does a very bad job at discussing this and it pushes people to the extremes because division generates more advertising revenue. And you’re also not wrong about basic human rights. I just want to see everyone treated with respect for who they are or choose to be.

Sure. 100% agree with you on respect. Choosing something to be and expecting everyone to play along is a deeper question. Just because i may say i wish to be a woman does not equate with my wife feeling comfortable with me using her changing room, playing in her sport team, saying i want all things female to be now called names with no female reference. That is disrespectful to real women. Respect needs to be earned. This is where division occurs and more problems arise. It’s not an easy thing. 🤷‍♂️ my daughter told us categorically she was gay. Now she’s dating guys. It was a phase. There is too much media BS pushing agendas. All of my life i have had gay friends, cross dressing friends etc. Never have i disrespected them. The current era is very unsettling as it’s driving people apart not together.

All through the 80s AIDs was a huge social issue. That was an all out attack on gay people. Guess who was deeply involved. Fauci, and here he was again recently. Experimenting on people, media companies experimenting on people, a never ending push to keep people distracted, marginalised, subservient while pretending they’re being supported. I don’t believe it all sorry. The State does not want you, I or any group empowered. Far from it. They play collectivist games while stealing all your energy and time.

The fundamental issue is people are naturally kind and tolerant. The State sells fear and chaos through their media BS. The same with money. People believe they need the States they’re so used to being told they can’t cope. The banks should never have been bailed out. They should have failed because they were corrupt. Bitcoin was never bailed out, it is resilient through people power. The sooner we all realise we are powerful the sooner real tolerance, peace and prosperity returns

Thanks for listening, I’m here all week 😂

Brunswick 1y ago

If a m2f trans could be given a functional woumb, and could breastfeed, would it still be as revolting? I think it's getting close to crossing the line of the definition of a real woman.

I think I just threw a grenade and walked into it. I'm not comfortable arguing about this subject so I won't be replying anymore to this line of reasoning.

I think you may have. It’s Marie’s fault 😂

Fucking Marie! She keeps breaking nostr

😂

GFY to you all 🤣🤣💜

Looks about right

Ryan 1y ago

It's been a busy day for her 😂

I much prefer it when she drinks wine…..I think she’s been in Cuervo today

https://video.nostr.build/c15bc8173563ed51ef94276bd1f11302feb87946fd703b486a492deeb4ec7942.mp4

Ffs I was asking about options and looking for a healthy debate!

Not grenades being thrown around.

Brunswick 1y ago

Lol 🤣

Ava 1y ago

You made your bed, with emphasis, and quite off topic, Mike. It's quite disappointing, really. I liked gossip.

Farmer 1y ago

Absolutely, it's important to have these conversations and shed light on the complexities surrounding gender and attraction. It's crucial to understand and respect everyone's unique experiences and perspectives. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Savage 1y ago

"Thank you for sharing your perspective. It's important to have open and honest conversations about these complex issues. Everyone deserves love and acceptance, regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation. Let's continue to strive for understanding and inclusivity."

Powermeat 1y ago

Well that just begs the question Mike... Obviously society is getting better and better at surgery. It won't be long before you won't be able to tell if a beautiful woman used to be a man or if your favorite bro used to be a woman.

If you had to choose, would you prefer the gorgeous women with a brand new dong or the strong hairy man with a freshly sewn in vag?

jack (n/acc) 1y ago