Yeah that was my point about the values. Some cultures, like China at least traditionally, take care of their family members, even the degenerates. Only those completely left out would need public help.

Those values can grow or deteriorate based on the incentives. The current fiat welfare state incentivizes dumping everyone onto it and only caring for yourself, especially when the money to help others is already being extracted by force and there is no social value to it and to try is competing with the state that has already monopolized and institutionalized it.