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Seems like nostr:npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3 is working on something very similar, did you guys sync up?

I recently shifted my thinking around these complex kind of attestations, it's going to be hard to: (1) implement with good UX to actually make it work, (2) too many different opinions on how to go about it

As an example, bitcoinmints.com is already working today with kind 38000 which is definitely an expression of trust. The WoT implementation you suggest will not take into account these events? Another, if a very trusted friend (because met IRL) heavily zaps someone you don't know, isn't that a form of trust? Third, if someone is listed as "good guest" in kind 827919 for a couchsurfing-type app, isn't that a massive vouch even without signing a NIP-77 event?

Seems to me expressions of trust take very different forms, will be application-specific and therefore we should accept them as such. I'm tending to think that "writes" should be as easy, heterogenous and scattered as possible and the heavy work should be done on "reads", probably via sophisticated algos/DVMs which: (1) return a viable set of evidence to be verified client side, (2) themselves have a reputation

I think you’re exactly right to be thinking of writes and reads separately, with writes being scattered and potentially in various formats. The heavy lifting is deciding what to do with the data, and we can be flexible in our approach: no need for everyone to use the same algo, or even to know what algos are available when creating the trust attestation.

On the topic of zaps: I think it is important to separate out in our minds the notion of PROXY INDICATORS of trust, like zaps, likes, etc, and EXPLICIT CONTEXT BASED TRUST ATTESTATIONS. No reason we can’t use both at the same time! The former exist in spades; it’s time for us to focus our attention on ways to represent the latter.

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That's fair! I agree with you, I don't think these proxies for trust are great. The gold nuggets will be in application-specific kinds like the bitcoinmints example (kind 38000 is 100% an explicit trust attestation). I just don't see at the moment who will want to put enough energy to build hierarchies, but if people do, all the better!

Perhaps I’m the only one who will want to put in the energy to build hierarchies 😜😂

That’s ok by me. One person is all it will take!