Nostr Web Client

There's got to be a better way. I currently use an old version of nostrudel without outbox relay connections. I don't have any major discovery/content issues at the moment, but I wouldn't know if I did?

This tradeoff just seems to big to not be optional. I hope your project succeeds, but until that option arrives, I won't be advocating the use of it or any client that heavily utilizes outbox connections like this without an alternative. I've already voiced my opinions of amethyst.

hodlbod 3mo ago

Outbox maximizes decentralization, and so needs to be the base paradigm for content discovery (at least in terms of social graph). But that doesn't prevent us from trading off some decentralization for privacy/efficiency as needed. Read proxies work well (whether they scrape and serve or proxy in real time).

Hubs are also not bad, damus and primal's relays have most content, which is probably why you didn't notice any missing content. But if someone got kicked off the hubs, they would be gone.

I'd also like to see support for relay white and blacklists, which would allow the user to tune their connections if desired.

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ChipTuner 3mo ago

> Outbox maximizes decentralization,

And I'm going to repeatedly say, yeah I get it. But someone else's reach affects MY privacy in this trade off. I don't care about their reach (or obviously mine) if it requires that my readers tell 70 other servers in the same few second who they are, where they live, and what they're doing.

In this example, someone could setup a relay for the purpose of associating npubs as IP addresses, as an outbox realy, and most of nostr would connect to it without knowing or having the ability to disable that. Sounds like a pretty good idea to prove a point imo. Id be willing to bet a majority of nostr users don't use VPNs 100% of the time, and if using a wifi connection we'd likely get down to the neighborhood accuracy of the user.

There still must be some degree of trust between users and relays when it comes to privacy, outbox appears to take a hot steaming shit all over that.

> Hubs are also not bad, damus and primal's relays have most content, which is probably why you didn't notice any missing content.

TheForrest and nostr.land :)

> I'd also like to see support for relay white and blacklists, which would allow the user to tune their connections if desired.

This would be use, I currently have a mix of DNS and web extensions to block these relay connections, and boy is that a pain in the ass.