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The Great replacement is obviously real, but I have to say if white people suicide themselves out of existence because they were too busy playing video games and being dog moms then it will have been entirely their own fault.

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Nope Noperson 7mo ago

I think we've been the target of some crazy propaganda for a long time. Generally, I don't think people are just too busy. They have been conditioned to have their values shifted.

Community has been replaced with online community, which leads to loneliness and increased susceptibility to further manipulation.

Church has been replaced with the state and self-worship.

People don't want to have kids because they think it goes against self-worship and they've been trained to fear how it will accelerate the world ending. With all that and pro-abortion propaganda, birth rates have tanked.

I see a lot of modern leftist policy really being a rebranding of the eugenics movement popular in the early to mid-20th century. We all thought they went away, but they just got a better PR team.

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Brain User 7mo ago

Definitely not the only cause like 90% of in my circle say they’re not having kids or having another kid because they can’t afford it. I do think other factors are at play but I think the main driver is the money

Brain User 7mo ago

If you look at birthrate numbers by household income in my article here it’s pretty clear

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People living off the government arent more into family values (see fatherless child rates), or into the church more. They just get a bump in their “salary” for every kid they have so they don’t shy away from it

Nope Noperson 7mo ago

I don't disagree with the points made or the data.

But, people thinking they can't afford children doesn't mean they can't. It means they can't imagine that it's possible while they live the same lifestyle.

It requires sacrifice. It requires liefestyle change. It requires building relationships in your life you can depend on.

Move out to the burbs or close to family into whatever space you can afford. Cut costs. Don't pay crazy amounts for daycare. Be your own daycare. Find parent groups that work together. It will be tough and hard choices will have to be made.

But, people have been trained to think life should be easy, convenient. They don't want to give up what they have. Self-worship instead of sacrifice.

Nope Noperson 7mo ago

That seems engineered, too. Where does that stop anyone else around the world?

Nope Noperson 7mo ago

Back when we used to live on farms and grow our own food, families would have tons of kids because they couldn't afford not too.

Brain User 7mo ago

Pretty much anywhere that isn't a 3rd world country has declining birth rates. Probably because they're the only places where they need kids for labor

Nope Noperson 7mo ago

Sorry, I should have said developing or third-world. That's probably a lot of the world, though.

There are many countries in the same state as the US. I would argue that they have been trapped into the same mindset of modern fallacies, warped values that lead to an existential impasse.

I also don't see anything wrong with children helping to run a family business. It's a great learning experience. My family that live on farms and the kids helped out as they grew up are some of the most productive and capable adults I know.

See my note on the Amish, below. I think it's an interesting example that challenges the "We can't afford children narrative."

Thanks for the good talk 🤙

Low Information Voter 7mo ago

Yes, but only during periods of peace and/or expansion.

Marriage rates fluctuated with the economy then, too, but most problems were local or regional.

Nope Noperson 7mo ago

My point is just about anyone can have children. You just have to align your values and lifestyle into a structure that can support them.

The Amish have had a steady birthrate well above the national average since WW2 at 6 to 7 kids per family.

Are they living on welfare checks? Do they have more income than an upper-middle class family that lives in a big US city?

No, they value family, community, and self-reliance above self-worship.

The Amish are a hyperbolic example to prove the point. But, are modern Americans incapable of the same things on a smaller scale? Only if they refuse to sacrifice.