The Great replacement is obviously real, but I have to say if white people suicide themselves out of existence because they were too busy playing video games and being dog moms then it will have been entirely their own fault.
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Reminds me of this recent article
https://www.theblaze.com/abide/trumps-baby-bonus-wont-work-but-we-already-know-the-real-solution
It will be funny if the Amish save everything with exponential growth.
Bitcoiners are basically just digital Amish lol ๐
The only place I see large families - of all colors - in the West, are more Traditional Catholic Parishes.
Iโd assume it is true in traditional Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Muslim, Mormons, etcโฆโฆ.but Iโm not there to see.
David Ricardo observed in the early 1800s that most people did not settle down and have children until they had achieved the same level of financial security that their parents enjoyed at the same age.
Newsflash - human nature hasn't changed a jot.
Declining living standards and declining financial security lead to declining birth rates.
The Left gaslights us that this is the result of investment in education, as though overinvestment in credentials wasn't also a response to declining living standards and increasingly desperate competition.
The Right gaslights us that declining birth rates are the result of declines in "traditional" social roles. If 1950s social roles were still delivering 1950s results, then more 2020s men and women would follow them. But they are not.
Both wings of the Establishment want to "solve" the problem by luring other people's children to migrate here, bringing their family's capital, on the false promise of 1950s living standards; and at the cost of not just inflated credential tuition but the loss of their hard-earned understanding of how (their) society works, their native language, and too often their own hopes of timely marriage and children.
Well said
They people theyโre importing are still benefitting even though itโs not 1950s living standards. When you come here from Haiti or the Congo 2025 America is still amazing. Theyโre also not exactly bringing any capital here. Theyโre a massive net negative in our society in terms of how much assistance they receive compared to what they produce
True, but they're only a small part of the picture.
Poor or lower-middleclass people in Third World countries can't afford either legal or illegal migration, absent cash inducements
I think youโre underestimating how many illegals are here. DHS estimated 11mil on 1/1/22 (government number so enjoy with a grain of salt) Iโd bet itโs 20M+ at this point. Thatโs about 5% of the population. Nothing to sneeze at
Fair.
USA bit different to the rest of the West because of the (deliberately) porous land border, and the NGOs handing out cash inducements to illegal migrants in transit.
Illegal migrants usually still work, however. In competition with working-class citizens, in a living standards race to the bottom.
Even globalists who admit this go on to gaslight that we can't stop immiserating our working classes further, because "lettuce would cost an extra 20c if Big Ag couldn't exploit an illegal captive workforce".
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Only those dependent on government assistance are having a meaningful amount of children. Itโs the money
The top 1% are still having children. Its the middle classes who are not.
I think we've been the target of some crazy propaganda for a long time. Generally, I don't think people are just too busy. They have been conditioned to have their values shifted.
Community has been replaced with online community, which leads to loneliness and increased susceptibility to further manipulation.
Church has been replaced with the state and self-worship.
People don't want to have kids because they think it goes against self-worship and they've been trained to fear how it will accelerate the world ending. With all that and pro-abortion propaganda, birth rates have tanked.
I see a lot of modern leftist policy really being a rebranding of the eugenics movement popular in the early to mid-20th century. We all thought they went away, but they just got a better PR team.
Definitely not the only cause like 90% of in my circle say theyโre not having kids or having another kid because they canโt afford it. I do think other factors are at play but I think the main driver is the money
If you look at birthrate numbers by household income in my article here itโs pretty clear
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People living off the government arent more into family values (see fatherless child rates), or into the church more. They just get a bump in their โsalaryโ for every kid they have so they donโt shy away from it
I don't disagree with the points made or the data.
But, people thinking they can't afford children doesn't mean they can't. It means they can't imagine that it's possible while they live the same lifestyle.
It requires sacrifice. It requires liefestyle change. It requires building relationships in your life you can depend on.
Move out to the burbs or close to family into whatever space you can afford. Cut costs. Don't pay crazy amounts for daycare. Be your own daycare. Find parent groups that work together. It will be tough and hard choices will have to be made.
But, people have been trained to think life should be easy, convenient. They don't want to give up what they have. Self-worship instead of sacrifice.
That seems engineered, too. Where does that stop anyone else around the world?
Back when we used to live on farms and grow our own food, families would have tons of kids because they couldn't afford not too.
Pretty much anywhere that isn't a 3rd world country has declining birth rates. Probably because they're the only places where they need kids for labor
Sorry, I should have said developing or third-world. That's probably a lot of the world, though.
There are many countries in the same state as the US. I would argue that they have been trapped into the same mindset of modern fallacies, warped values that lead to an existential impasse.
I also don't see anything wrong with children helping to run a family business. It's a great learning experience. My family that live on farms and the kids helped out as they grew up are some of the most productive and capable adults I know.
See my note on the Amish, below. I think it's an interesting example that challenges the "We can't afford children narrative."
Thanks for the good talk ๐ค
Yes, but only during periods of peace and/or expansion.
Marriage rates fluctuated with the economy then, too, but most problems were local or regional.
My point is just about anyone can have children. You just have to align your values and lifestyle into a structure that can support them.
The Amish have had a steady birthrate well above the national average since WW2 at 6 to 7 kids per family.
Are they living on welfare checks? Do they have more income than an upper-middle class family that lives in a big US city?
No, they value family, community, and self-reliance above self-worship.
The Amish are a hyperbolic example to prove the point. But, are modern Americans incapable of the same things on a smaller scale? Only if they refuse to sacrifice.
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The masses go where leaders point.
Compared to the multitude of โdarkโ leaders, there have been extremely few leaders of โlightโ who possess the occult knowledge necessary to reprogram the mass man. No wonder, the dark side attracts more followers โ they have cookies!
Perhaps, the good ones are out there in larger numbers, too, waiting for a specific moment. I donโt know. Weโll see.
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This is not particularly an issue which concerns only white people and has not much to do with a great replacement theory. It's just a fact that births are declining world wide for various reasons.
"Globally, the total fertility rate was 2.3 children per woman in 2023. This is much lower than in the past; in the 1950s, it was more than twice as high: 4.9."
No, not everywhere, and not at the same rate.
Nigeria is holding up well. College-educated Nigerian women self-report wanting 20 children (modal response).
Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh are similar, while West Bengal and Tamil Nadu have been below replacement for decades.
Religious observance is highly correlated with birth rates, as are stable (if often terrible) levels of inequality.
Excellent points. Global data is one thing. But the details of why nations, states and sometimes regions have so different numbers tell often much more about the real causes in various periods of time.
The "boomer" generation was a baby boom era, things are just reverting back to the mean.
In the English-speaking world, the 50s and early 60s were a boom in many ways - babies, economic growth, workers' share of national income, confidence in the future. The former USSR had something very similar, despite its very different system.
The last time the birth rates were this low was the Great Depression, and I suspect this is no accident.
We are also witnessing the collapse of our civilization, all the signs are there -massive money printing, corruption, decadence, invasion from outsiders etc. The baton will be passed to China.
Facts.
Although China has its problems (same as the first three of ours).
It may drop the baton on its foot soon after we pass it.
We've never seen a civilisational "dropped baton" on a global scale before. Historical merely-regional de-complexifications were pretty horrific.
The Chinese will not even take the baton. They're too experienced over hundreds or even thousands of fears not to fall in this "trap".
Well, I mostly mean that China is where the wealth will massively accumulate regardless.
Yes. Without any doubt.
Maybe.
Chinese history is a series of expansion and centralisation, inward-looking despotism, violent and pitious collapse, and then stabilisation for a time at lower levels of complexity and centralisation.
They've ridden this train a few times, but there are always leaders sure they can get off before the final stop.
Agreed. It will be very interesting to see how they'll adjust to this new reality in the long-term.
The difference is that the western countries are experiencing mass migration. Thatโs the replacement part.
I think the fact that you need about 50 years to save up for a down payment for a modest home and a couple with two jobs can barely feed themselves, let alone children, might have something to do it.
I once saw a documentary about a single mother in India who, through relatively simple manual labour - I can't remember what exactly - bought a small plot of land and was able to pay some people from the area to build her family a hut there.
Now imagine a single mum working as, say, a hairdresser in the West, trying to buy any plot of land and then not being government-regulated to absolute hell and back trying to build even a shed on it.
The great replacement is not real.
It's projection.
Instead of accepting that indigenous Americans and Australians were exterminated to create these colonised nations you want to point the finger at someone and try to blame them for doing the same thing in the future, as if you can see the future. And somehow having more babies than you is the same thing as exterminating your entire civilisation..
It's honestly pathetic, it makes white nationalists sound like stupid cowards who do whatever the Jews tell them to do and blame black people for all their problems instead of actually doing anything to resolve the problems that literally have nothing to do with the people you are trying to blame.
Second paragraph is true.
First paragraph shall become my reference standard for whataboutism, projection and gaslighting.
If your reading comprehension was better youโd realize Iโm not blaming anyone for the circumstances of white people except white people. Everyone is responsible for themselves.
Western society is in the most complete disorder. A big identity crisis that started twenty years ago. We are at the fruit
Who wants an entitled malnutrition stick figure white girl with no ass?
Any other colours on offer?
Or maybe most of them just did'nt care what the skin color of future generations will be because it actually does'nt change anything in their lives.
Its by design. Who is pushing birth control, porn, social media, feminism, girl boss, independent woman, gay, trans, and weak men?
Toooo deep to think about.
I wonder who controls the media and really fucking hates white people?
The (((Southern Poverty Law Center))) was caught literally counting down the collapse of the white population
But honestly white people are literally too stupid to figure out theyโre under mind control from the (((masters of propaganda))). White women are so badly brainwashed from college and media, all they wanna do is race mix with Tyrone because he can mumble nigga into a microphone and throw a ball into a hole.
True that whites arent having enough kids, but importing infinite indians doesn't help anything either. Even if the children per women goes up to 4, some places have so many illegal immigrants that it doesn't do much to counter the replacement
