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My hot take is that so many people just don't know that so many of their I'll symptoms can be deleted from their lives with carnivore. I spent my whole life with crazy environment allergies, kanker sores and back pain for my adult life. after carnivore? no more pain killers or daily antihistamines. my take is that docs don't even tell people about this stuff because they're convinced there's no way these "healthy" plants are bad for a lot of people. my symptoms are mine but MOST people are struggling and either gave up and deal or take pills with side affects. And they're being told it's normal to have their diseases. "it happens"

even so. those that make it into a religion aren't helping anyone. Some do plants fine. some don't but don't know the plants are the cause.

Some points though I think are relevant

- we're not cows. not even closely related.

- we have smart brains and thumbs so it makes some sense that we didn't evolve carnivore teeth more seen in carnivore animals. I don't rip my meat straight from the animal with them.

- remember we don't see farming tools from over 10000 years ago. ice age ended 14000 years ago (Where gathering was limited to a couple months of the year). evedance of homogeneous (our) species goes back hundreds of thousands of years. I don't think we're evolving fast enough for this big of change in diet.

- I'd believe it ideal that anyone suffering a disease not caused by injury at leased know about it. 30 days all it takes. they can slowly reintroduce plants one at a time to see what should be permanently gone.

- if we can agree on one thing. let it be that vegetable and seed oils are poison. Invented (not found naturally) only about 100 years ago and their growing use correlates well with heart and many other diseases.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

I brought up cows solely to demonstrate that it can’t be true that all plants are dangerous to eat because they produce toxins. Some plants are even toxic to cows and have to be removed from fields where cows graze. But the point is that some plants are edible to cows, who only eat plants, so a blanket statement about plants is inappropriate.

Beyond not having pronounced carnivore dentition, we actually have omnivore dentition. We also have an omnivore gut. Herbivores have very long, complex guts, while carnivore guts are short. Ours, like other omnivores, are in between.

The effects of agriculture and the eating of plants at all are two different questions. The argument for a paleo diet makes a lot more sense to me than for lifelong carnivore.

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Kirpy 1y ago

Understood and I'm not in strict meet camp. Most people I know refer to that as the lion diet. I went strict and slowly reintroduced foods but still keep them limited.

While a true Paleo is sensible (I think most carnivores agree), I think the way it's often conveyed or interpreted includes a higher amount of that food that would have been consumed only a few months out of the year. People don't stumble across a few nuts or fruit in the wild now days they keep a bowl full.

Honestly I think that's the reason carnivore has gained traction. People tried Paleo as it's usually directed but had to reduce even more. Maybe that diet shouldn't be called carnivore but it's just the way I and those I know learned of it.