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Hot take for Nostr: the claim that all plants are dangerous to eat doesn't make logical sense.

Yes, even edible plants may produce compounds that are toxic. Every toxin is toxic in its own particular way. The body is a complex system; sometimes a chemical may benefit the body in one way while detracting from it in another. Sometimes a compound may only be toxic in certain concentrations or health conditions. Sometimes a toxin is quickly broken down in digestion and has no ill effect.

Even without that level of nuance, the belief that all plants are unsafe to eat doesn't make logical sense when you look at the animal kingdom and human history. Obligate herbivores, like cows, live their whole lives eating nothing but plants in perfect health. This should not be possible if plants are unsafe to eat because of their toxins.

You can tell which animals are naturally carnivores, omnivores, or herbivores by studying their teeth. Humans have omnivore teeth, and despite enormous variation, almost all human cultures have omnivorous diets -- yes, including nomads that get held up as the hunters living under a theoretically perfect meat-based diet. They are called hunter-gatherers because they gather (forage) as well. The closest culture I know of to living carnivore, the Inuit, still ate vegetable matter like berries at the rare times when they could.

Clearly, meat is health-giving for most people. Some can live well (but do we know for how long?) on a diet of meat alone. Carnivore and other high-meat diets are documented to have corrected serious health issues in many individuals.

I'm just suggesting to the more aggressively carnivore: take a step back and a deep breath, because you are coming across very arrogantly. Your diet may not be ideal for every individual, and to insist that it is because plants are toxic does not reflect the broader perspective I've touched on above.

There's no call to get rude about dietary choices. Save that anger for tyrants who want to be your master.

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Kirpy 1y ago

My hot take is that so many people just don't know that so many of their I'll symptoms can be deleted from their lives with carnivore. I spent my whole life with crazy environment allergies, kanker sores and back pain for my adult life. after carnivore? no more pain killers or daily antihistamines. my take is that docs don't even tell people about this stuff because they're convinced there's no way these "healthy" plants are bad for a lot of people. my symptoms are mine but MOST people are struggling and either gave up and deal or take pills with side affects. And they're being told it's normal to have their diseases. "it happens"

even so. those that make it into a religion aren't helping anyone. Some do plants fine. some don't but don't know the plants are the cause.

Some points though I think are relevant

- we're not cows. not even closely related.

- we have smart brains and thumbs so it makes some sense that we didn't evolve carnivore teeth more seen in carnivore animals. I don't rip my meat straight from the animal with them.

- remember we don't see farming tools from over 10000 years ago. ice age ended 14000 years ago (Where gathering was limited to a couple months of the year). evedance of homogeneous (our) species goes back hundreds of thousands of years. I don't think we're evolving fast enough for this big of change in diet.

- I'd believe it ideal that anyone suffering a disease not caused by injury at leased know about it. 30 days all it takes. they can slowly reintroduce plants one at a time to see what should be permanently gone.

- if we can agree on one thing. let it be that vegetable and seed oils are poison. Invented (not found naturally) only about 100 years ago and their growing use correlates well with heart and many other diseases.

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𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

I brought up cows solely to demonstrate that it can’t be true that all plants are dangerous to eat because they produce toxins. Some plants are even toxic to cows and have to be removed from fields where cows graze. But the point is that some plants are edible to cows, who only eat plants, so a blanket statement about plants is inappropriate.

Beyond not having pronounced carnivore dentition, we actually have omnivore dentition. We also have an omnivore gut. Herbivores have very long, complex guts, while carnivore guts are short. Ours, like other omnivores, are in between.

The effects of agriculture and the eating of plants at all are two different questions. The argument for a paleo diet makes a lot more sense to me than for lifelong carnivore.

Alaska PC Small Group 1y ago

By cutting out highly process foods and going on a highly restrictive diet you have remove the cause of your symptoms but you also have removed foods that are beneficial to your health.

Plants are not bad for people . They have always been part of our diet. Having a negative reaction to a plan doesn't mean that they are all bad or that you should permanently exclude the plan you have a reaction to. There might be an underlying medical reason that can be address or reducing the quantity ingested may not trigger a reaction.

Over 60% of the calories consumed in the US are ultra processed, and it's higher for children. Diets high in ultra processed foods have been linked with increased risk of heart disease, weight gain, cancer, and even mortality. If you are looking for a correlation between food and diseases, it's not with vegetables, it's with ultra process foods.

The reason people are struggling is due to the lack of food eduction, modern food production, financial incentives, and the way doctors are trained.

Also, let's stop comparing ourselves with other animals. We have different digestive systems and different ways to process food and extract the nutriments we need.

We should concern ourselves with how or body works, what it needs and how to provide it.