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My take is this: All legit organization must be voluntary. The ecclesia at its inception in Acts was exactly that, *not at all* a state-compelled communism. And it was a roaring success for a time.

It was only considerably later--after concentrated persecution resulting in diaspora--that Paul found it necessary to take up a collection for "the po' folks back home" in Jerusalem. And even then, that gift was gathered in a πŸ’―% voluntary fashion, for "God loves a cheerful giver."

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Fair enough, I used Communism as a shorthand rather than it's formalism. Many groups tried holding all in common over the centuries before Marx tied it to the State.

I also accept it's a hard ask, even voluntarily. Hence my personal metric of median income in your society. It's unreasonable to expect an American to live in America on an Indian income. But is reasonable to as a rich American Christain why they are not living like an average American, and using the rest of their wealth for good.

FYI when i ask this of real people, they tend to either tell me the bible is poetry, not to be taken literally. Which is fine, when they take that approach to the Bible in general, but hilarious, (some might say hypocritical) when they say other parts have to be taken literally :-)

Well said.

I have to observe that, given the tools of BTC, Lightning ⚑, and Nostr, I am *so* excited and optimistic about the prospects for the ecclesia to break out of state bondage and do some serious advancing of the Kingdom of God...

The main problem I see that remains is waking the πŸπŸ‘ up to the new reality.πŸ˜œπŸ˜†

Yes.

What evidence do you have of a "roaring success”? It couldn't have lasted too long all the same players were alive.

Acts 1-7; and more specifically, Acts 5:14 and Acts 6:7 come to mind...

But then the great persecution of Acts 8 began... Tough on us, but served to spread the good news as believers scattered throughout the 🌍world...

That seems like evidence for a short time program that ended in failure and poverty, not a roaring success.

Not a hill to die on. I'd gladly be wrong.

Our King triumphs equally in our tribulations and our successes.

We of course prefer the latter.😜😁