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Lightning forced closures have been getting painful again!! 😫😫😫

Too many FCs combined with higher mempool pressure will be the death of LN if something doesn’t change. Either routing fees need to go up massively to compensate, or noderunning will always be a negative sum game for most.

Some amount of FCs are unavoidable – but a number of longstanding bugs in combination with ridiculous fee estimations needlessly takes away a huge number of sats from Noderunners. nostr:note1tf90fd3p7lk59kr5jk66xg0npe2fn8q3yymwr9e8jspxwafz2sdq99d0w4

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xplbzx 2y ago

Have had some channels for two years and just the occasional fc lately with newer channels. Guess that I do less routing, less exposed to bigger nodes.

It's tough. There needs to be more appreciation for the difficulty to break even. Be zen, protect your node.

Filou 2y ago

I ran the numbers earlier today and after two plus years online my node earned almost ten million sats in routing fees– sounds pretty good at first! But 60% of that was lost to chain fees (mostly FCs) and 30% more to rebalancing costs. Leaves only 10% of total earnings leftover and that still doesn’t account for hardware and electricity costs 😵‍💫

kittyboy 2y ago

a few weeks ago, a peer with a wobbly connection caused a force-close, leaving me short almost 400k sats. paw-lease, the pain is real~!! 😿

Filou 2y ago

Oof! So painful 😵‍💫 had two others recently for around 120k and 180k sats each after sweeps. One was due to a bug in LND Where booth nodes were online at the time of the closure. These kinds of FC costs are killer for a small noderunner!

kittyboy 2y ago

meow exactly~!! i doubt i'll ever claw my way back to making up for that in routing fees. it's a whisker-twitching realization 😿