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Appreciate you sir, first of all.

American “empire” propaganda is dangerous, damaging, manipulative, scary, and at times, murderous.

I’m not excusing it for a minute.

If US tax dollars had been required to fund the war in Iraq (instead of GWB2’s money printer), there would have been a civilian revolution instead of an endless war overseas.

But I believe American leadership has become entirely detached from American ideals.

For what it’s worth, I don’t believe that most Russian citizens want a conqueror’s war in Ukraine. Most of them probably oppose it. But they live in a country where, if they speak up too loudly, they will “disappear” along with their families.

It’s the leader of THAT country who is being given a platform today. Who is being celebrated by people with the word “freedom” in their bio. Who is publicly and shamelessly proclaiming that he hasn’t murdered enough civilians to be satisfied.

When any other nation’s leader does this, trust that I will condemn it with similar emphasis.

But today, it’s Putin and Carlson who asked for the spotlight, so it’s time they damn well get it.

Tuvok 1y ago

and what about the Selenskyj who gets a platform everywhere?

and the 14000 dead east ukraine people shoot is all forgotten and your point of view starts where you say it starts?

its i dialectic game and you just fall into it.

and i once again today call the Selenskyj fucker a mass murder

because that is logic if putin is one then Selenskyj is one too because they give orders to the order followers right?

do you think the ukraine people defend their country?

they get forced by law to join the war! and get shoot by their "own people"

i just notice all the emotions some or a lot of people get with this topic here

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boston wine 1y ago

I did not know a lot about Ukraine before Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Even then, I’m embarrassed to say that I didn’t pay a lot of attention, but I know it looked like a scary and hostile move.

I still don’t know enough about modern Ukrainian history to make a confident, opinionated statement about their leadership (but it seems as though you hold a very confident opinion on the matter). But I do know that one president sent his military to invade a neighboring country, while another didn’t…

I said before that I’m not excusing American imperialism. Nor am I commenting on the Ukrainian state’s internal politics. I’m aware of how much I don’t know.

But I’m also not going to engage in bullshit games of whataboutism. Putin ordered his military to subdue or destroy a neighboring country. 99% of the time, it’s the “bad guy” who gives that order.