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Tuvok

and what about the Selenskyj who gets a platform everywhere?

and the 14000 dead east ukraine people shoot is all forgotten and your point of view starts where you say it starts?

its i dialectic game and you just fall into it.

and i once again today call the Selenskyj fucker a mass murder

because that is logic if putin is one then Selenskyj is one too because they give orders to the order followers right?

do you think the ukraine people defend their country?

they get forced by law to join the war! and get shoot by their "own people"

i just notice all the emotions some or a lot of people get with this topic here

boston wine 1y ago

I did not know a lot about Ukraine before Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Even then, I’m embarrassed to say that I didn’t pay a lot of attention, but I know it looked like a scary and hostile move.

I still don’t know enough about modern Ukrainian history to make a confident, opinionated statement about their leadership (but it seems as though you hold a very confident opinion on the matter). But I do know that one president sent his military to invade a neighboring country, while another didn’t…

I said before that I’m not excusing American imperialism. Nor am I commenting on the Ukrainian state’s internal politics. I’m aware of how much I don’t know.

But I’m also not going to engage in bullshit games of whataboutism. Putin ordered his military to subdue or destroy a neighboring country. 99% of the time, it’s the “bad guy” who gives that order.

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Tuvok 1y ago

i appreciate that you can formulate a statement like this.

but the problem lies in your own description

you dont know enough

judging a conflict of 2 children by the action you see first when you enter the room is a very bad judgement!?

i hope you can follow this point. because this is essential.

from your point of view the child who hit "first" was actually only a respond and you would first have to collect all the information about the conflict before you could make a adult like judgement.

i am not saying that i know all about the conflict, but at least we follow the "west" media mainstream and alternative AND the russian media too or other sources

its difficult and you can end up quite alone compared to propagandistic view points

but i know about that, so its not new

did you know that some still hail to Stepan Bandera

in the ukraine!?

if you cant sense the proportion of all factors its easy to fall into a good/bad prejudged worldview!?

boston wine 1y ago

The child who threw the first punch would have a longer timeout than the one who was calling names. Doesn’t make name-calling okay.

One country decided to invade the other and begin murdering thousands of people. That is objectively more heinous than whatever internal conflict was previously happening in Ukraine. I’m confident of that because Ukrainian cities and civilians weren’t being blown up every day, before.

There’s a time and place for analysis, nuance, and evaluating both sides. And there’s a time for condemning inhumane behavior for what it is.

And right now, it’s the leader of the invading country who went live in air to announce that he hasn’t killed enough civilians yet.

Sometimes it isn’t that complicated.