Fun fact, Trezor are censoring replies and questions around their recent announcement of working with Wasabi Wallet, including how it exposes their users to chain surveillance-based censorship.
https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1648727943470776320
What a time to be alive...
Yeah, that’s fucking stupid. That’s a sign of weakness.
But hey, you could have @maxhillebrand & the Samourai guy on your podcast to have a discussion about all of this.
This is the third time I’m trying to get your attention for this idea, but you didn’t answer yet.
I don't want to give Max a platform, I've already rejected his request to come on directly.
Okay. Understand. And why? Because of their decision to work with CA firms and being OFAC compliant?
Do you have concerns about their software/approach to coinjoins too?
Here he basically says wasabi will never make alternate non censoring coordinators easy for users to opt into, citing how that’s why tornado cash’s capitulation to the censors didn’t save them. The project is rotten and riddled with cowardice and deflection. Stay in their orbit at your own risk. nostr:note1ku9jms9skcfhesjxk3x9ulxjpk5ahhk7y8z4gu7e5x70zzgvhyaspnjcz4
Okay. That doesn’t have an effect on the quality of their coinjoins though. It is an issue, I agree. But I am interested if their tool works and how good it works. If it is superior to Whirlpool or at least comparable I can enhance my privacy using both. So while I disagree with their decision to work with CA firms and being OFAC compliant, I can differentiate between what I don’t like and what is useful for me
That topic has been explored lots of times, most recently by Seth on a twitter Spaces, it’s been found wanting. Again, stay in their orbit at your own risk. Up to you.
My summary of that Spaces:
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Thanks! Great thread. This answers some of my questions
So, after digging a bit I found answers to some of the points #[2] made.
To me it seems as if Seth is biased towards dismissing Wasabi. Maybe it’s unconsciously because they work with CA firms. I don’t judge that. It’s fine for me.
But as a person who doesn’t have the expertise to know who is right and who is wrong (and there are arguments to be made why Whirlpool also isn’t perfect) for me the best way to be sure is to first use Whirlpool and then use Wasabi. After that I should have the highest guarantee of privacy possible.
I’m going to mute you now, idk how many times I gotta say “at your own risk.” You’re not going to convince me to shoot my own foot as well, have fun. This debate has been done to death and only one side has actual real world examples of their mixes’ privacy being broken. If that changed the debate perhaps could be revived, but post-mix whirlpool utxos have never been shown to have been traced. End of debate for me.
Lol okay kiddo. Mute me if that makes you happy. I wasn’t even trying to convince anyone. I was having a conversation as I thought nostr is for having conversations. Thanks for the links anyways, they did help me.
